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[Dredd]

Me again!

I was wondering abour Jaguar policies on adult websites?

Not porn, but adult content?

Regards

Dredd

[Vin DSL]

Originally posted by Jag
Hi,
Are you inquiring about a dedicated server? We do not support adult sites on our shared servers.

Dedicated servers, yes. Shared servers, no, unless they've changed their policy...

[Vin DSL]

BTW, anticipating the next question, the reason for this is because 'adult' sites tend to suck up resources on a server, i.e. bandwidth, lots of concurrent connections, blah, blah, blah. It's NOT because 'they' are prudes...

[Dredd]

Something adult.......not a paysite with anything pornographic........just adult discussions

[the_ancient]

Originally posted by Dredd
Something adult.......not a paysite with anything pornographic........just adult discussions

Be more Descriptive


It is my Understanding that anything that would require Age Restictions under Federal US Laws are what is not allowed on Shared Servers

I dont know about in Jags Case, but most Host do this not only because of Resource issuse stated above but because of Liablity Concerns

Adult Web sites are alot, ALOT, more likey to catch the eye of the FBI, and Server Raids the FBI has Conducted in the past on NOC's have left 1,000 of non-releated web site down because the shared servers the web site the FBI wanted was on a Shared Server that the FBI seized, thus Seizing all the other sites as well.......

This is Too Much Risk for the low Prices jag offers and this is also why if you find a Adult Shared Host, they are out there, the prices are VERY VERY high

[Dredd]

Well........ I love my country for this! (I'm canadian, and we do not have to worry about our government to ban or censor our stuff)

I guess I will find a canadian webhost, and save myself some problems.

Thanks everyone for everything.......you guys are super!

[Spathiphyllum]

Originally posted by OspreyServices
Adult Web sites are alot, ALOT, more likey to catch the eye of the FBI, and Server Raids the FBI has Conducted in the past on NOC's have left 1,000 of non-releated web site down because the shared servers the web site the FBI wanted was on a Shared Server that the FBI seized, thus Seizing all the other sites as well...

Hadn't really thought about that before. I'm glad JagPC has the policy that it does for shared servers. I mean, what if the government were to find all those secret files that I'm keeping stored remotely?

[the_ancient]

Originally posted by Dredd
Well........ I love my country for this! (I'm canadian, and we do not have to worry about our government to ban or censor our stuff)

I guess I will find a canadian webhost, and save myself some problems.

Thanks everyone for everything.......you guys are super!

Your Not immune there either....

Why??

Because infringing Content is mostly Kiddie Porn, or Porn that "Appears to be" kiddie Porn,

and the Defination of Kiddie Porn is often very very "grey" as it only has to "appear to be" to get the Search and seizure warrants, even if later it is proven not, via birth records etc, the damage to the other clients has already been done

and canada, to my knowelege, more or less has the same Child porn laws as the US does...

As policy, the US does not Ban or Censor Adult Web Sites

The only thing they do, which is the same in canada, is enforce the laws of the land.. i.e Kiddie Porn, Beastality, etc etc etc

However theya re not all inclusive either, Considering Oral Sex is illegal in more tha 50 states (these laws date back 100's of years)

And Thank you soo much, this is the First time in over a Decade I have sided with the Government on anything, I now have to take a very hot shower to rid myself of the nasty feeling I have

[Galen]

And I don't see why you're siding with the government this time. "Kiddie Porn" is often just a convenient excuse for the FBI to look where they want. I mean, if you knock on somebody's door (warrant or not) and say that you suspect there's CP on the property, most ppl will be happy to let the Feds come in and look just to clear their name of such a heinous accusation!

Research (involving those little things called "facts" that the government hates to talk about) shows that there is almost no new CP being produced. Why? Simple, it's not a profit making industry and the risk is waaaaay too high. All the pics that're out on the net are the same pics that've been around newsgroups for 20 years. And even though all this has been PROVEN over and over, we still keep hearing about all these "new" busts... Hmmm... Makes ya wonder.

Then there's also the fact that most of the websites that advocates like to point out are not even illegal, technically. They lack taste, but they're not illegal. Examples are child modelling sites, artistic nudity sites (which the Supreme Court has ruled as free expression and therefore protected under the 1st Amendment).

Put simply: The big bad kiddie porn industry doesn't exist. It's a myth, made up to scare people into complacency.


On topic...

I would consider my site to be an "Adult" site given the nature of the things discussed there (including things of a sexual nature). My site is, in fact, blocked by at least one proxy system (N2H2, but hey, they block anything, lol). If my site violates Jag's terms, I'd appreciate it if they'd let me know. I'll be more than happy to comply with their wishes (cuz I'd rather not have the rug pulled out from under me, hehe).

[Zacrifice]

Personally when I have read the terms I took "Adult content" to mean things of a sexual nature, such as pornographic images, text with a sexual nature, or and other such things.

However I do think that Adults talking about what ever takes there fancy, would be fine, just as long as the intention of the actual website isn't to provide sexual "content"

However, I can't be 100% sure, so you would be best discussing this perticular topic if Jag himself or only of the sales people who would be able to clarify things down to the finite degree

[the_ancient]

Originally posted by Galen
And I don't see why you're siding with the government this time. "Kiddie Porn" is often just a convenient excuse for the FBI to look where they want. I mean, if you knock on somebody's door (warrant or not) and say that you suspect there's CP on the property, most ppl will be happy to let the Feds come in and look just to clear their name of such a heinous accusation!

Research (involving those little things called "facts" that the government hates to talk about) shows that there is almost no new CP being produced. Why? Simple, it's not a profit making industry and the risk is waaaaay too high. All the pics that're out on the net are the same pics that've been around newsgroups for 20 years. And even though all this has been PROVEN over and over, we still keep hearing about all these "new" busts... Hmmm... Makes ya wonder.

Then there's also the fact that most of the websites that advocates like to point out are not even illegal, technically. They lack taste, but they're not illegal. Examples are child modelling sites, artistic nudity sites (which the Supreme Court has ruled as free expression and therefore protected under the 1st Amendment).

Put simply: The big bad kiddie porn industry doesn't exist. It's a myth, made up to scare people into complacency.


On topic...

I would consider my site to be an "Adult" site given the nature of the things discussed there (including things of a sexual nature). My site is, in fact, blocked by at least one proxy system (N2H2, but hey, they block anything, lol). If my site violates Jag's terms, I'd appreciate it if they'd let me know. I'll be more than happy to comply with their wishes (cuz I'd rather not have the rug pulled out from under me, hehe).

Yes and no.....


CP is almost never Produced in the USA< however it is still being made in smaller Under developed Contries, and there is still a Profit in it... Subsciption CP web sites are still pooping up, Beit 99% of them are over seas though and not really a concern for this conversation


and the Abuse of FBI Powers is not really unknown, except to those in congress that keep giving them MORE power , and with the pariot Act II just around the Corner things are gong to get even worse

but on topic, even if the CP threat is Real or Implied, it does not change the fact that 1,00's of Clients per Server would be Taken off line, whether or not the CP was Real or a FBI mirage.....

And Since Crimes of a Sexual Nature, or any Crimes involving Children are no longer really procesuted in the Terms of "innocent until proven guilty" and the Accusation alone is often more than enough to convience most juries anymore it is upto the defenandt to prove he/she is innocent.... Sad really

[Spathiphyllum]

Originally posted by OspreyServices
...and the Abuse of FBI Powers is not really unknown, except to those in congress that keep giving them MORE power , and with the pariot Act II just around the Corner things are gong to get even worse...

I'm not going to enter the fray of CP in this thread, but what abuses do you know about that the Congress doesn't? Anything created by man will have abuse of some sort since we are not perfect. However, I have not heard of a single case of the Patriot Act violating the laws of any U.S. citizen. What case law can you provide to substantiate the claim that the Patriot Act has been improperly used by the FBI to indict any individual or entity?

I keep hearing this reflexive statement but no one can provide evidence. I'm all for limited government, too, but I want a critical review before I dismiss it outright. After all I think our perception of immunity that had been settling in nicely during the past decade of post Cold War thaw has been shattered like the glass of the WTC. If the Patriot Act (native or revised) can be a tool judisciously utilized to defend our citizenry against similar assault, then I'll support it. If, however, an air of abusive oppression emanates from the J. Edgar Hoover Building, I won't. Hopefully it won't be too late; but clearly, as evidenced from the recent 9/11 hearings, we needed the Patriot Act at least a decade ago.

[Dredd]

..............OH MY GOODNESS!

I only wanted to have some information......and now this is turning into a Kiddy Porn debate! lol

Have a great weekend guys, and thanks for the imput!

Regards

Dredd

[the_ancient]

Originally posted by Spathiphyllum

I'm not going to enter the fray of CP in this thread, but what abuses do you know about that the Congress doesn't? Anything created by man will have abuse of some sort since we are not perfect. However, I have not heard of a single case of the Patriot Act violating the laws of any U.S. citizen. What case law can you provide to substantiate the claim that the Patriot Act has been improperly used by the FBI to indict any individual or entity?

I keep hearing this reflexive statement but no one can provide evidence. I'm all for limited government, too, but I want a critical review before I dismiss it outright. After all I think our perception of immunity that had been settling in nicely during the past decade of post Cold War thaw has been shattered like the glass of the WTC. If the Patriot Act (native or revised) can be a tool judisciously utilized to defend our citizenry against similar assault, then I'll support it. If, however, an air of abusive oppression emanates from the J. Edgar Hoover Building, I won't. Hopefully it won't be too late; but clearly, as evidenced from the recent 9/11 hearings, we needed the Patriot Act at least a decade ago.

There has not been any YET, the question though is not IF, but WHEN it will happen

The problem most people have with the Act, including me, is the utter lack of the common "Check and balnace" system, it gives the FBI a Broad Range of Powers with little to no court involvment, where in the past they have had to

Keep in mind that Most of that Act the FBI tried to get passed time and time again, and the only reason it was passed this time was that congress really had no time to review it, there are alot of congressmen that have come out now saying they would not pass it, if they could do it over again...

With the patiot act II on the Tables (which I feel is why there have been no abuse issues yet because if they Abuse P1, P2 will never be passed) the power is even greater


Your next aurgment will be now "it only applies to terroriest"

however in the most recent defination of "Terrorist" put out states "one who does harm to others" which can be EVERYTHING from speeding to drug dealing to actual terrorism......

[Oldfrog]

I'm not going to enter the debate, either. I am neither a purveyer nor consumer of CP so don't know enough about the industry to have an opinion (other than that the elimination of both groups would be a good thing). I will go on record as being against child pornography (or any other exploitative pornography), terrorists (foreign or domestic, to include those who only terroroize their own spouses or families), and government intrusion into our lives (with the exception of investigations pursuant to security clearances).

But,

saying they would not pass it, if they could do it over again...

is the epitome of political waffling. I laughed when I read it. That is like a friend of mine many years ago who shook his head, wiped off the blood, and remarked, "I never woulda' started that fight if I knew I was gonna get my a** kicked!"

Leaders need to be able to make decisions and the higher the level the quicker they need to be able to make them (the right ones). These folks sound like they didn't know what to do, agreed with what someone else wanted to do, and now want to buy out of the decision. I would accept that graciously if they said, "I made a mistake under pressure, maybe I'm not who you need in this job". I would probably vote to reelect anybody with the stones to say that because they would really have understood. It's too bad that we can't hold our legislators to the same standard that we do our military, where you get all the chances you want and deserve to excell, but only one to screw up.