Ugly 527 ad

[Ron]

Poor quality, and palying to racism.

How ugly this is.

http://moveonforamerica.org/

I hope this doesn't get hung on the President.

[Spathiphyllum]

Yep, a bit of race baiting here. It is just as ugly as the Democratic(?) Willie Horton ad of the last election. Patently offensive. Didn't watch the videos but scanned the homepage. Didn't need extra infomercial anyway.

[Jaded]

Lots of ignorant people in the world for sure. If anyone wants to support any of the views in these ads, I will be happy to explain how the ads are wrong in every aspect.

[Zacrifice]

please don't use to word "world" to discribe the people in america who are the ignorent ones!

Since america is but a country. Nothing more!

[Spathiphyllum]

please don't use to word "world" to discribe the people in america who are the ignorent ones!

Since america is but a country. Nothing more!

Yes, only America has "ignorent" people and some inherent racism... every other country on the planet is enlightened with the unimpeachable.

[Jaded]

I meant world.

[Zacrifice]

using world in the context of an american polly is the imply that we are all voting for him.
When in fact we are not.

And since I nor you have met everyone in the world you can't use "ignorent" in that statment either. However I can say without a doute that there are a heck of a lot of ignorent americans (or perhaps a better statment is that they have different believes and desires when it comes to running the country)

and I didn't say that only america has ignorent people so don't make conclusion based on incomplete information.

[Jaded]

The message being spread by the ads includes an American politician but the message itself is about hate and discrimination and it is being promoted by individuals who would use hatred and bigotry to sway the opinions of the ignorant.

I have lived in the U.K. and traveled in Europe. I have traveled in the Far East. I have been to Australia, Canada and Mexico. I have eaten in 5star restaurants, country clubs and mansions. I have also shared eggs and cornmeal with the indigenous people of several countries while sitting on the dirt floor of their thatch-covered huts.

There are many ignorant people in the world who think the color of a person's skin, the shape of their eyes, or the language they speak makes them lesser human beings. The ads are not trying to imply that John Kerry would like to kill cops, the ads are trying to say that John Kerry is a N****R lover and should not be elected for that reason.

I salute you for being so racially unbiased that you cannot see that subtle message buried within such a well crafted advertisement.

[Vin DSL]

LoL! I guess you guys never read, The bell curve: Intelligence and class structure in American life (Herrnstein & Murray, 1994). I did! Who are the ignorant ones on this website? Not me...

And, who are the 'smart' ones in society? It ain't us 'white folk.' It's right in 'the book' too, with facts and figures to back up every conclusion, ad naseum. So, don't bother acting so smug...

This book was written in a very odd fashion. Every chapter started with a summary of the chapter, followed by a 'Cliff-Note' version, then finally the full hard truth of the matter.

Bottom line is: everything in life follows a 'bell curve', and I mean everything. All people are NOT created equal, including intelligence and class structure. These things follow a bell curve as well. To believe otherwise is... ignorant!

With that I'll stop. I don't want to burst your bubble...

[Vin DSL]

...america is but a country. Nothing more!

LoL! Parading facts about racial differences before the American public is akin to putting a lit match to gasoline. Don't ignore this danger, or you'll get burned! Been there, done it!

[Ron]

The reasons these ads are "ugly", as I described them:

First video:
It's not that they are attacking Senator Kerry for successfully defending a man who shot a cop. It's that they bring in immaterial information about the issue.

Sure, people can debate whether or not defendants have a right to a vigorous defense and the best opportunity to have the most lenient sentence possible. Sure people can debate whether a lawyer has a duty to society to provide such a defense to a person. This is a valid discussion.

The defendant in this case was a convicted murderer who was out on furlough when he decided to walk away and go on the lamb to Florida. The fact that he was out on furlough when he did this is being used to imply that Senator Kerry had something to do with that furlough. Senator Kerry wasn't in office at that time, and as Lt. Governor had no power to do anything anyway. Then the devisive element of Willie Horton is brought in to gain publicity for the group to assist them in raising funds, and playing to the bigotry, hero-worship of the police and tough-on-crime votes. The fact that Senator Kerry was a criminal defnse lawyer is mentioned at the top to "appeal" to the lawyer haters, and the Mafia is tossed in to appeal to the Anti-Mob vote. Mike Dukakis is thrown in there to inform and/or remind people that Senator Kerry was an underling to a horribly ineffective Presidential candidate.

Everything about this ad is divisive and inflammatory, and associates a couple of facts with a slew of irrelevency. The only substantive question is what I outlined at the top, and that is not even mentioned. This first video talks not one iota about Senator Kerry's qualifications, character or fitness for duty as President. It's all slime.

Second Video:
This one outlinines the outrageous acts and positions of Al Sharpton using his own words to damn him. It takes out of context a still-idiotic statement about 9-11 responsibility. It fudges when it implies that Sharpton had something to do with the burning of a white business in Harlem when Sharpton "only" urged a boycott. Whether or not Sharptons urgings played a role in inciting someone to burn the business, killing 7 remains unanswered.
Sharpton's statement "They got pigs out here! You didn't off one of them!" is nearly unintelligble, and then cut in with another statement "What I believe in I do" while the voice over claims he is urging the students to kill white police officers. I am personally unfamiliar with that speech of Al Sharpton, another interpretation of those snippets could easily have been him defending the behavior of the audience as in "They said we would be misbehaved, but they got pigs out there! You didn't off one of them!" So I will have to be very skeptical about that segment. Likewise their claim he said: "Hitler was a Great Man".

The ONLY thing this has to do with Senator Kerry is that Al Sharpton spoke at the DNC, and that Senator Kerry issued a press release that said: "I thank Reverend Sharpton for his endorsement and look forward to working with him and all Democrats in the months ahead."

The fact that Senator Kerry accepted this guy's endorsement is the only legitimate question. All the rest of it is vile and inflammatory.

[Vin DSL]

You ain't seen nothing' yet, Ron!

As far as offending the sensibilities is concerned, remember the intended audience...

[Jaded]

As far as offending the sensibilities is concerned, remember the intended audience...

Now that is funny! And even funnier is the dream I had last night. <distort to dream sequence>

I was reviewing a new competency exam for Texas students and realized my sons were going to fail. The exam included questions about rap stars and clothing designers. <wakes in a cold sweat>

[lokki]

Ron,

I couldn't find reference to that speech, either (admittedly, only spent a few minutes). What I did find is that Sharpton is aligned with some very racially-distressed people... specifically, lots of blacks who hate whites and jews passionately. Here are some quotes that surface when looking for Al Sharpton's speech:

"White folks was in caves while we was building empires... We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it." -- Rev. Al Sharpton in a 1994 speech at Kean College, NJ, cited in "Democrats Do the Dumbest Things

"While the rest of the country waves the flag of Americana, we understand we are not part of that. We don't owe America anything - America owes us." -- Al Sharpton at the "State of the Black World Conference" in Atlanta

Donna Brazile (Director of Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign) -- "A white-boy attitude is 'I must exclude, denigrate and leave behind.' " [Robin Givhan, Clearing the Decks at Gore Headquarters, Washington Post, Nov. 16, 1999, p. C1.]

Spike Lee (film director) -- "When talking about the history of this great country, one can never forget that America was built upon the genocide of Native Americans and enslavement of African people. To say otherwise is criminal." [Lee Gives 'The Patriot' a Thumbs-Down, Los Angeles Times, July 7, 2000, p. F2.]

Spike Lee (film director) -- "I'm convinced AIDS is a government-engineered disease. They got one thing wrong, they never realized it couldn't just be contained to the groups it was intended to wipe out. So, now it's a national priority. Exactly like drugs when they escaped the urban centers into white suburbia." [Janet Braunstein, "Spike's Message Obscured," Detroit Free Press, Nov. 9, 1992, p. 4F.]

Ice Cube (black rap musician) -- "Ice Cube wishes to acknowledge white America's continued commitment to the silence and oppression of black men. . . . White America needs to thank black people for still talkin' to them 'cause you know what happens when we stop." [pamphlet included in his 1992 album The Predator.]

Elizabeth Smith (Texaco vice president for investor relations) -- "White males are only hired by default," [Jon E. Dougherty, "White Males Need Not Apply at Texaco," WorldNetDaily.com, March 31, 1999.]

Carol Moseley Braun (former U.S. Senator responding to a column by George Will on her many financial scandals) -- "I think because he couldn't say 'nigger' he used the word 'corrupt.' George Will can just take off his hood and go back to wherever he came from." [George Will, Moseley-Braun May Find Defeat, Chicago Sun-Times, Sept. 7, 1998, p. 19. Scott Fornek, Moseley-Braun Writes Apology, Chicago Sun-Times, Sept. 9, 1998, p. 24.]

Robert Mugabe (President of Zimbabwe who is taking the land of white farmers and revoking their citizenship) -- "Our party must continue to strike fear in the heart of the white man, our real enemy!" [J.T. Young, "Zimbabwean double standard," Washington Times, January 14, 2003, p. A15.]

Robert Mugabe (President of Zimbabwe who is taking the land of white farmers and revoking their citizenship) -- "Zimbabwe is for black people not white people." ["Zimbabwe 'Votes' " American Renaissance, April 2002, p. 9.]

[lokki]

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Leonard Jeffries (chairman of the African-American studies department of the City College of New York, interviewed in the May, 1995 issue of Rutherford magazine) :
Q: But the black man is no longer a slave.
A: The slave should be waking up, thinking of ways to slit the slavemaster's throat. . . .
Q: What kind of world do you want to leave to your children?
A: A world in which there aren't any white people. . . .
[T.L. Stanclu & Nisha Mohammed, Leonard Jeffries Jr., Rutherford, May 1995, p. 13.]

Kay Patterson (state senator in the South Carolina legislature writing in an invitation to black politicians) -- "Now please don't bring any of your 'White-Friends,' this is a 'Colored' meeting."[ Patterson offers no apology for actions, Post and Courier (Columbia) 4/5/93, p. 3B.]

Sonny Carson (black activist in New York when asked if he was anti-Semitic) "I am anti-white. I don’t limit my ‘anti’ to just one group of people." [Mark Mooney, "Ex-Dinkins Organizer Boasts He’s ‘AntiWhite’" New York Post, October 21, 1989, p. 3.]

Miles Davis (black jazz musician) "If somebody told me I had only one hour to live, I’d spend it choking a white man. I’d do it nice and slow." [Miles Davis Can’t Shake Boyhood Racial Abuse, Jet March 25, 1985.]

Eldridge Clever (former Black Panther leader on why he raped white women) "Rape was an insurrectionary act. It delighted me that I was defying and trampling upon the white man’s law, upon his system of values, and that I was defiling his women . . . ." [Eldridge Clever, Soul on Ice, McGraw-Hill, 1968, p.14.]

Gus Savage (former U.S. Representative from Chicago to a white member of the press) "I don’t talk to you white motherf*ckers. . . . You bitch motherf*ckers in the white press. . . . F*ck you, you motherf*cking *sshole . . . white devils." [Marilyn Rauber, "Reporter Says Black Rep Hurled Racial Slurs," New York Post, June 27, 1991, p. 18.]

Khalid Abdul Muhammed (former assistant to Louis Farrakhan - current leader of the New Black Panther Party) -’Hollywood is owned by these so-called Jews. Look at the movies they make about us, Black people killing Black people. Let’s make some revolutionary movies where we kill white people in the movie. Kill ‘em so hard you have to cover up your popcorn from the blood spraying out of the screen." [Speech at San Francisco State University, May 21, 1997.]

Khalid Abdul Muhammed (on what South African blacks should do to any whites who refuse to leave South Africa): "We kill the women. We kill the babies. We kill the blind. We kill the cripples. We kill them all. . . . When you get through killing them all, go to the goddamn graveyard and kill them a-goddamn-gain because they didn’t die hard enough."[November 29, 1993 speech at Kean College in Union, New Jersey.]

Mary Frances Berry (current head of U.S. Commission on Civil Rights) - "Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them." [Civil Rights Under Reagan, San Francisco, ICS Press, 1991, p. 141.]

Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall (in a conversation with Justice William Douglas about racial preferences) "You guys have been practicing discrimination for years. Now it is our turn." [William O. Douglas, The Court Years 1939-1975, New York, Random House, 1980.]

Sister Souljah (rap artist and black activist) "If black people kill black people every day, why not have a week and kill white people." [R.W. Apple "Jackson Sees ‘Character Flaw’ in Clinton’s Remarks on Racism, New York Times, June 19, 1992.]

Malcolm X - "The death of over 120 white people is a very beautiful thing." [Speech in Los Angeles on June 3, 1962 upon learning of a plane crash. He also said on numerous occasions, "The white man is the devil."]

Willie Brown (Mayor of San Francisco to a white parent complaining that affirmative action would penalize his children) "I don’t care about your idiot children." [The Social Contract, Summer 1998, p. 290.]