$100 PC - 1 million unit minimum order

[LV89148]

It is not for us, but if it happens, it will be great for the third world.

http://www.redherring.com/Article.as...undred-buck+PC

[the_ancient]

It is not for us, but if it happens, it will be great for the third world.

http://www.redherring.com/Article.as...undred-buck+PC

What about the "thrid world" in the First World nations???????

You understand that the "gap" between class's in almost all firstworld, and even more so in the USA, is ever increasing.

in the 1970's CEO made on Average 25X more than the average worker today that has grown to 400x more

the average famliy has to work appox 50hrs per week just to pay for BASIC NEEDS (food water shelter heat etc etc etc) not including any other items like Insurances, computers, cars etc etc etc

The #1 cause of bankruptcy in the US is medical Debt

But yet American Compaines and American Governments are more concerned about the thrid world than our own people.......

anyone besides me see something wrong with that?

[LV89148]

By "us" I did not mean Americans, just folks likely to be reading these forums. I have no doubt that if a $100 PC is created, it will also be distributed in the USA. Write to your favorite foundation and suggest they get involved. Unfortunately, because it will run Linux, I don't think Bill Gate's philanthropic funds will be forthcoming.

A better educated public, here or elsewhere, is good for people and good for businesses.

A slightly more expensive closed-box, fanless internet PC, the AMD/Samsung PIC, is already available http://tinyurl.com/5zsv7 and http://www.amdboard.com/pic.html and runs a souped-up version of Windows CE 5.0. The software, unfortunately, seems to be locked - it contains some MS-Office compatible apps. It is also unnecessarily slow - a faster AMD 1GHz NX Geode processor could have been used for maybe a few bucks more.



Another link: http://pair.offshore.ai/pic/

[Ron]

in the 1970's CEO made on Average 25X more than the average worker today that has grown to 400x more

You don't think that the guy in charge of (sometimes the guy who created) the company should make that much?

Hmmmm Gillette was just sold for $57Billion dollars. The CEO there isn't worth $20 Million a year?

1/3 of 1% of the value of the company?

Maybe they could have broken it up into 20 $3 Billion companies, and paid the CEO of each of them $1MM a year... would that make you feel better that he was earning only 20 or 25 times the salary of lower echelon employees?

My Million dollar company --if I could sell it for that much -- I should be earning less than $3,000 a year from it, and pay each of my staff 4% of my salary? This sounds right to you?

The point is, you can't just grab a single set of comparative numbers out of thin air and have them mean anything.

Yes, CEOs are paid very nicely now, and on average their salaries have gone up, but the size of the companies that they are running has increased too.

In fact, I wouldn't doubt that there are several $10Billion dollar companies inside Gillette (including Energizer), and each of them has that CEO making a million too. It's the layers of management that are required to run such a large company that cause salary inflation to the degree you're seeing, not overpayment.

I'm sure the CEO of P&G (who just bought Gillette ) will make a heck of a lot more than he was last week, now that he runs a company that's $57B bigger. Shouldn't he? And how about the CEO of Gillette? Will his duties diminish AT ALL because he's been absorbed into P&G? Probably not, so he's still entitled to his $20MM (or whatever he actually makes), isn't he?

It's all about the size, and right now behemoths are all the rage.

ALL IMHO, of course.

[LV89148]

Solar PC also now makes a $100 PC (Linux) specs unknown:

SolarLite machines will be demonstrated at the
Southern California Linux Expo
February 12-13, 2005 at the Los Angeles Convention Center

This is a 1GHz model that sells for $219 (runs Windows or Linux):

[DLMunson]

Im guessing those 2 dont support SLI huh lol

what a waste of 100 bucks. if i cant encode 20 vids into xvid all at the same time, or run HL2 at a billion fps, i dont want it. thats sarcasm for those that dont know...dunno bout the rest of the world, but i always gotta have top o line components

[Vin DSL]

I guess I'm missing something...

Why would ppl in the 'third world' need to get on the Internet?

[Ron]

I guess I'm missing something...

Why would ppl in the 'third world' need to get on the Internet?

In order that they see the injustice in their situation and rise up.

[DLMunson]

lol great just more freaks trying to hack my site. thats all that will become of it lol

[the_ancient]

You don't think that the guy in charge of (sometimes the guy who created) the company should make that much?

Hmmmm Gillette was just sold for $57Billion dollars. The CEO there isn't worth $20 Million a year?

1/3 of 1% of the value of the company?

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I am not saying that they should be be fairly compensated but so should the people that build the compaines, and it is NOT the CEO's, they may make the decisions but with out the employees they are nothing.... period

and yes I feel 20million a year for a salary is far far far too much. I dont care how much the company makes a year..

if the person created the company chances are they hold a great deal of stock, or stock options, this I dont consider salary so if the company is valuble and profitalbe then they can make up there income from Divdends if the company pays them

and I know all about big compaines, I work for one of the laragest retailers in the USA, and I am not at the "bottom of the food chain" nor am I at the top.

I see the Little guys get taken advatage of so the big guys get their new Benz's or Lexus's, and it annoys the piss out of me

dont get me wrong I am not a socialist, I dont think the "pie need to be even" but I do think these companies should be more FAIR, that is all

[Ron]

How much more could a company afford to pay their workers and still keep their jobs available in this country? 10%? 100% 1000%?

Most of the CEO's salary IS in fact performance based and usually tied to stock options and the like. The lsits that have CEO compensation on them lump salary and stock option exercise/profit together as "total compensation".

YOU say that stock is OK, but most of the rest of the folks who think that CEOs are paid too much complain about stock issues, too.

The laws of supply and demand work in CEO land, too. There aren't many Jack Welch's to go around, and EVERY company wants the best CEO that money can buy. It's in their interests as stockholders to maximize their businesses' potential.

I agree that upper management makes a ton of money. Is it too much? I don't know. Does it seem like it's too much.... sure, but most of the world would surely believe that I earn way too much money, too. They can't conceive of a person being worth say, $25,000 a year to answer tech support phones, or $100,000 to be a programmer. In fact, a programmer in the US makes 10-15 times what a programmer in India makes, FOR THE SAME JOB. Is that "fair"? Should the US programmer take a pay cut in the name of parity?

I suppose it's partly a matter of perspective.

I think that the real issue in executive compensation is not that the supply and demand free market system doesn't apply here; the problem is there's a good ol boys network (always has been) and the stockholders are currently powerless to affect change.

BTW, is it insanity that A-Rod gets paid $22 million a year to play baseball? I don't know the answer to that, either. He puts the fannies in the seats, and might help the Yanks beat the Sox next year. What's that worth?

I appreciate your well written arguments.

[JPC-Les]

Sorry to highjack the post back ontopic for a sec...

I usually steer far away from topics like this but I will share my inital thought about the $100 PCs in question. I see alot more fraud coming. But, if alot of our potential netizens are willing to check out the GigaDeal then its a good thing .

[the_ancient]

How much more could a company afford to pay their workers and still keep their jobs available in this country? 10%? 100% 1000%?

that is a fine line and one that cant be blanketed for all compaines. but I do feel many can pay more if they wanted to, it would hurt the bottom end, but it could also help, take my area, Retail, Customer Service has gone to hell in a hand basket because the employees that will work for $5-7/hr are worthless. I see it everyday, day in and day out and I cant do anything to change it because the guys making 40mill a year decided that the Service people dont need to be paid $10+/hr.

and I have see this Cost the company sale after sale......

I dont know if better employees would make more sales then their cost though...........

Most of the CEO's salary IS in fact performance based and usually tied to stock options and the like. The lsits that have CEO compensation on them lump salary and stock option exercise/profit together as "total compensation".

YOU say that stock is OK, but most of the rest of the folks who think that CEOs are paid too much complain about stock issues, too.

The laws of supply and demand work in CEO land, too. There aren't many Jack Welch's to go around, and EVERY company wants the best CEO that money can buy. It's in their interests as stockholders to maximize their businesses' potential.


I agree that upper management makes a ton of money. Is it too much? I don't know. Does it seem like it's too much.... sure, but most of the world would surely believe that I earn way too much money, too. They can't conceive of a person being worth say, $25,000 a year to answer tech support phones, or $100,000 to be a programmer. In fact, a programmer in the US makes 10-15 times what a programmer in India makes, FOR THE SAME JOB. Is that "fair"? Should the US programmer take a pay cut in the name of parity?

I suppose it's partly a matter of perspective.

Well lets compare Apple to Oranges why dont we...

What is the Cost of Living in India???? I am willing to Bet you dont need to Make $25k a year just to EAT and have a Place to small shack to LIVE in , in india either.

the Cost to Live in the USA is pretty high (not has high as some other yet but we are getting there)

I think that the real issue in executive compensation is not that the supply and demand free market system doesn't apply here; the problem is there's a good ol boys network (always has been) and the stockholders are currently powerless to affect change.

BTW, is it insanity that A-Rod gets paid $22 million a year to play baseball? I don't know the answer to that, either. He puts the fannies in the seats, and might help the Yanks beat the Sox next year. What's that worth?

I appreciate your well written arguments.

and yes Sports Players are paid too much, which is why I no longer watch pro sports.... Screw um all

[Zacrifice]

They will pay for they need to pay to have the person they want.. end of story..
The people making 600,000 a year will be making that much because hes talented, educated, bright and highly regarded in the area he is working in.

Of course there is exceptions but I can promise you that in 90% of cases the ones making large sums of money are working much harder and making more stressful decisions
I would love to see any of you to work for just a little more and do there jobs..

I have met people who make that sort of money before and they usually work from about 7 in the morning untill late at night and there life generally suffers