Feud between Cogent and Level3 has gotten the attention of Congress

**Vin DSL** · 10-08-2005, 06:48 PM

A feud between big network companies that has blacked out swaths of the Internet for thousands of people is prompting calls for government involvement, and may help trigger a rewrite of telecommunications laws affecting the Net.

Level3 has given Cogent until November 9 to strike a more equitable deal...

SOURCE: http://news.com.com/Net+blackout+spa...?tag=nefd.lede

**the_ancient** · 10-08-2005, 06:59 PM

thus is business,

if Cogent is as big as Level 3 they need to charge Level3 for traffic exchange on their network as well..

Government does not need to be involved...

ohhh wait what am I saying, I forgot the goverment needs to tell me when, to wipe and what type of tissue I need to use. I forgot

**Vin DSL** · 10-08-2005, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by the_ancient

...if Cogent is as big as Level 3 they need to charge Level3 for traffic exchange on their network as well...

I think it's funny that the Dems want to protect Cogent. Cogent is nothing but a cheapskate place for spammers and pornographers to do their monkey business.

Level 3, on the other hand, has grown larger by wooing legimate businesses like JagPC. I don't blame Level 3 for cutting them off.

Cogent just wants to use everyone else's bandwidth for free to spread spam and porno around the world. It's the Democrat'ic way, no?

**Spathiphyllum** · 10-08-2005, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Vin DSL

...and may help trigger a rewrite of telecommunications laws affecting the Net.

Someone else's ox is about to be gored. Yeah, I'm with the consensus of letting the market settle this without government intervention. Congress will probably just shift the profitability to one party or the other depending on who has the better lobbyists, and then add another layer of control on top of what already exists.

On another note, it would appear that the U.S. will be losing its control of ICANN after all. The world community is trying to coalesce and work around U.S. control, and the U.S. is becoming more passive on the matter. I believe the U.N. may end up with control as originally anticipated. We're doomed, doomed!

**the_ancient** · 10-08-2005, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Spathiphyllum

Someone else's ox is about to be gored. Yeah, I'm with the consensus of letting the market settle this without government intervention. Congress will probably just shift the profitability to one party or the other depending on who has the better lobbyists, and then add another layer of control on top of what already exists.

On another note, it would appear that the U.S. will be losing its control of ICANN after all. The world community is trying to coalesce and work around U.S. control, and the U.S. is becoming more passive on the matter. I believe the U.N. may end up with control as originally anticipated. We're doomed, doomed!

?????????

lol They can pass all the resolutions they want, the Dept of Commerce still has contol, and they will not be giving it up.

I dont care what the UN "wants" as the old saying goes you can wish in one hand and ..........

ICANN can be elminatated, their contract is up next june anway. So even if they somehow lose control of "ICANN" the Dept of commerce would still be in control, they would just have a form a new Nonprofit, like that did before

As far as this Cogent vs Level3, this is a prime example of why Socialism fails, and Shows clearly that the USA is not a "free market" nor a "Capitalist" country anymore. this ofcourse is just one of MANY MANY MANY examples in exsistance today.

I always love the people on tv that run away saying we need "regulation to protect the free market"

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

how can it be a "free market" if it is regulated?

**mattsiegman** · 10-08-2005, 09:57 PM

I heard about the thing that the UN is trying to pull. They say it will force the US to give the internet up.

I'd like to see them try.

The people in Europe, Africa, etc. seem to forget that even though CERN came up with HTTP, the internet is the direct decendant of billions of United States research dollars, and nobody else's

**the_ancient** · 10-08-2005, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by mattsiegman

I heard about the thing that the UN is trying to pull. They say it will force the US to give the internet up.

I'd like to see them try.

The people in Europe, Africa, etc. seem to forget that even though CERN came up with HTTP, the internet is the direct decendant of billions of United States research dollars, and nobody else's

according to most Euro Papers I am reading, they dont see it that way. a very large UK paper is quoted

However the fact the US military splashed out cash to develop the Internet does not mean that it has the right to run it.

And people want us to be more like them

**Vin DSL** · 10-09-2005, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by mattsiegman

I heard about the thing that the UN is trying to pull. They say it will force the US to give the internet up.

I'd like to see them try...

Here you go...

Breaking America's grip on the net

After troubled negotiations in Geneva, the US may be forced to relinquish control of the internet to a coalition of governments

SOURCE: http://technology.guardian.co.uk/wee...585288,00.html

**the_ancient** · 10-09-2005, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by Vin DSL

Here you go...

SOURCE: http://technology.guardian.co.uk/wee...585288,00.html

and?

No where in there does not say how they are going to go about forcing us to give up control....

What pass a resolution, ohhhh me so scared

the UN has no power, NONE, and we, as the worlds only super power, do. It is time we stop playng games and start telling people how it is going to be.

The world needs us, more than we need them

**Vin DSL** · 10-09-2005, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by the_ancient

and?

No where in there does not say how they are going to go about forcing us to give up control...

I see! Okay, bottomline...

...if the United States does not give some ground, several nations have threatened to create their own root servers. That would fracture the Internet, causing confusion and some degree of costly communications disruptions.

SOURCE: http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/wb/wb/xp-35509

**the_ancient** · 10-09-2005, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by Vin DSL

I see! Okay, bottomline...
SOURCE: http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/wb/wb/xp-35509

So let them......

If they can do it better, it will give US the push we need to improve ours. Plus we can just block all access to non-US networks,

These Countries need our business more than we need their. Remeber we are the worlds wallet

**Vin DSL** · 10-09-2005, 06:50 AM

We'll see what John Bolton has to say about it...

**the_ancient** · 10-09-2005, 06:54 AM

to expand on that I guess I should make my view on goverment perfectly clear. Like the vast majority of the people that created our system of "government" I dont trust any form of government, period.

However I trust our government slightly more than I trust the rest of the world, after all we are still holding on to what is left of our constitution, so they are still come what limited in power, even though those limits get less and less with each pass year.

Thus is why I dont feel the US government should give up control of the internet.

On the Subject of someone else creating a new "internet" First off I am a firm belielver in a true FREE MARKET, which is also what the USA was founded on, Government Regulation destorys that.

Competition brings about change, most of the time good change, Therefore if the USA has to compete with the world over internet techology it will be a good thing for all of us,

and dont forget Internet 2 is already in the works by the US military so even if twe somehow lost control of the current internet we will just replace it with our new version.

We hold most of the worlds patents people, the world has advanced more techologically because of us than because of any other civilation. Why? because of the FREE MARKET....

Sadly people have forgotten our roots and we have moved away from then to a pseudo- capitalism regulated by a large cental government. Which is also way we have seen a down turn in advancements and why we are having econmic problems.

We are becoming more "european" and it is scary!!!!!!!!!!!

**the_ancient** · 10-09-2005, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by Vin DSL

We'll see what John Bolton has to say about it...

I can tell you that.....

I still remember listening to him at the last small arms conferance.... Loved every minute of it.....

**mattsiegman** · 10-09-2005, 09:38 PM

The rest of the world will have to try really, really hard to get us to just let go.

The most they can really do is lay diplomatic and economc sanctions on us.

And since most of them hate us anyway

If we really need any particular resource, we probably have it lying around here (somewhere, like, say Alaska), we just find it's easier to buy than deal with certain bleeding-hearts.

Hey, maybe this will create new jobs

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