Bwahahaha! There is a God after all! 'Croc Hunter' gets what he deserved!

**Vin DSL** · 09-06-2006, 02:50 AM

What's with this moron, anyway? The Pope didn't get this much attention, when he died!

Here's a guy that spent his life tormenting animals on camera -- wresting alligators and swinging rattlesnakes around his head, like a piece of rope -- and now he finally he got his just deserve!

I say hurray for the ray! Someone should have put this guy out of their misery a long time ago...

**Connie** · 09-06-2006, 02:48 PM

Vin I think that is about the worst thing you have ever posted.

**Ron** · 09-06-2006, 05:21 PM

Personally, I thought the guy was a blooming idiot myself. Sorry for his family that he died, but it's really really hard for me to have sympathy for him.

If they guy had a 20 chamber revolver, and kept playing Russian Roulette with it it, would you still feel sorry for him when it finally went off? Do you feel sorry for a driver convicted of DUI 8 times, who wraps his car around a telephone pole? Or do you think "well, at least he won't kill anyone else now"

It's a tragedy for all involved, but was a completely avoidable one.

**mattsiegman** · 09-06-2006, 06:50 PM

Sting rays are very, very calm fish, and hardly ever attack. Additionally, he didn't do anything to provoke it according to people who have viewed the tape.

That's the irony. It wasn't an alligator, a snake, or anything ferocious... it was one of the most calm creatures out there.

To think he, in any way, deserved this is stupid. Vin, your comments disgust me. My opinion of you just went way down. To be celebrating the death of someone who....

never mind, it's not worth it, I doubt me chewing out Vin (and Ron a little) will help anything....

BTW, the Pope got more attention...

**Ron** · 09-06-2006, 09:36 PM

I didn't say he deserved it, I said it was a tragedy for all involved and that I am finding it hard to have any sympathy for him.

"hardly ever attack." Just because he was swimming with "little sharks" this time and not "big sharks" (the crocs) doesn't mean much to me either. His lifetime of risky behavior is the cause of his death.

"hardly ever attack." You know what? My risk of being eaten by a croc or of being speared by a stingray at anytime throughout my entire life has to be a lot smaller than Steve Irwin's risk during a single encounter with those creatures. He put himself into those risky environments.

The guy not only took his infant in with him to feed the crocs, but then he dangled his kid in front of the croc, playing with his child as if it were a marionette, making it trot towards the animal (As an aside, my god, he got less criticism for that than Britney Spears did for driving with her kid on her lap for a minute. What does THAT say about our society?) His behavior there and in the episodes I've seen of his show(s) looked to me like the actions of someone addicted to the excitement, much the same way I can "spot" an addicted sports bettor when they talk about sports, or casino gambler when they talk about hands and strategies.

If a BASE jumper died while jumping off a broadcast antenna, even though they had made 50 or 100 (or 1000) previous jumps, wouldn't you think that, well... let's just say, wouldn't your thinking be similar to mine about Mr. Irwin? What if they did the same thing while holding on to an infant?

Just because his field of endeavor and his putative (but not by me) goals were of some sort of conservationist and not shameless self-promotion or adrenaline rushes, does that make his risky behavior any less foolish than my hypothetical BASE jumper?

It is similar to what I felt when Roy was mauled by his own big cat; (he didn't look for sympathy he understands that this is what the cats do and is one of the dangers of his sport.) When he was mauled I had the same reaction as I did for Mr. Irwin: "Oh, that's too bad. Not unexpected."

Same with race car drivers, motorcycle jumpers, extreme sports participants of any type. The accidents are gruesome, frequently caught on video, and I have very little sympathy for them; at least they died "doing what they love." I have a lot more sympathy for their parents and other loved ones who had no choice in the matter (except perhaps for Irwin's Dad, who looks like he encouraged his son's behavior), and more enmity for the damage his highly popular TV show did to risk aversion in our society.

There, have I alleviated you of the burden of feeling that you needed to chew me out? Because I'd be happy to go on about his effects on society and other lengthy lines of thought, rather than exhibiting knee-jerk empathy.

**Spathiphyllum** · 09-06-2006, 11:13 PM

No doubt emotions run high when tragedy strikes; however, you have to admit Irwin took chances on his shtick no matter how well prepped he or peers in the field stated him to be. It is sad that he lost his life bringing attention to the natural world. Sadder still is that he felt he had to (or at least chose to) perform with his live subjects to garner attention for his causes. Was it an addiction? Possibly. Was it measured? To a degree. Was he passionate? Yes. Was it risky? Absolutely.

My brother scuba dives regularly and is rather passionate about his hobby. I have too (rarely) and am not at all passionate about it. Different tastes. We are both aware of the dangers involved no matter how well trained or prepped. In fact, he tried cave diving for a while and decided "nope, too risky and far too demanding." We each have limits for even things for which we have passions. Sometimes, even the most expert, fail to recognize the dangers or risks... or freaky things just happen.

My brother has been on dives where supposedly experienced divers have suffered narcosis at depth and done things that would have been fatal had he not been there and spotted the problem immediately. He has been on dives where regulators have spontaneously failed on fellow divers. He has seen busted parts littering the sea floor in well travelled dive spots. Death is not a rare event in his sport/hobby. No doubt the people making these dives are well-trained, experienced, and familiar with the terrain. Yet accidents occur that normal folk would not ever experience. Such is life. Some exercises ensure that those odds of facing one's maker increase.

Irwin was one of those who tempted fate. I'm actually quite surprised he lived as long as he did considering the videos I saw. How prepared he was with staff, doctors, first-aid, and expertise off camera is not knowable by the general public. He had a show and it was part of his act for him to be the center of attention... along with the critter with which he toyed. We can debate whether or not it was exploitation of the animals, an education for curious onlookers, or sincere attempts to preserve habitats a lá Jane Goodall. But make no mistake, it was a gig he played to the max and he took risks. Apparently, this time the risk was not calculated appropriately in his equation. Tragic, bizarre, and inevitable.

I hope he rests in peace and his family survives its grief. Hopefully, thousands of Irwin-wannabes don't flock to nature and repeat his same methodologies. Attention to nature is needed and useful, but turning it all into a Hollywood production is, in the long run, counterproductive. Nature deserves some distance from humanity.

**mattsiegman** · 09-07-2006, 08:29 AM

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it was unexpected, but it still sucks. He was in a risky profession, but he was also very good at what he did.

I'm more disturbed by how vin appears glad that he's dead.... nobody deserves that.

**Connie** · 09-07-2006, 12:20 PM

I'm more disturbed by how vin appears glad that he's dead.... nobody deserves that.

Which is what prompted my response.

I don't think it make any difference whether you liked or disliked the guy, and what he did.

Personally he did not appeal to me. To post something like this is pathetic IMHO.

Bwahahaha! There is a God after all! 'Croc Hunter' gets what he deserved!

**BernardBlack** · 09-08-2006, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by Vin DSL

What's with this moron, anyway? The Pope didn't get this much attention, when he died!

Here's a guy that spent his life tormenting animals on camera -- wresting alligators and swinging rattlesnakes around his head, like a piece of rope -- and now he finally he got his just deserve!

I say hurray for the ray! Someone should have put this guy out of their misery a long time ago...

Sad.

**Zacrifice** · 09-08-2006, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Vin DSL

What's with this moron, anyway? The Pope didn't get this much attention, when he died!

Here's a guy that spent his life tormenting animals on camera -- wresting alligators and swinging rattlesnakes around his head, like a piece of rope -- and now he finally he got his just deserve!

I say hurray for the ray! Someone should have put this guy out of their misery a long time ago...

You really are a poor sorry pathetic excuse for a man.
To take joy in anyones death is just disgusting

**Frank Broughton** · 09-08-2006, 06:50 PM

Wow I came back after months away and have to read this GAR BAGE!

See ya...

**Vin DSL** · 09-09-2006, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Frank Broughton

See ya...

Whatever! Go back to your shadow world, Lurch...

I suggest you morons -- the ones set against my P.O.V. -- go read this:

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2...9092006/220191

If our altars have shifted to become the television box, then Steve Irwin was one of our high priests. He was such because in these otherwise faithless days he made us believe that we might do likewise. A hero of sorts, but really more of a psychic idol. He wouldn't have claimed divinity himself, but to those who stared in wonder Steve became a god. We invent gods of our own necessity, said Voltaire.

Gawd, you're the pathetic ones! This is the guy that dangled a month-old baby, head whipping around like a rag-doll, in front a hungry 'Croc' for what -- your amusement? Did you forget about that, you selfish hedonist bastards... or just overlook it... 'cause he was more than a wild and crazy guy -- he was a TV diety?!?!?

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This was probably his downfall -- signaled his going to the dark side! Which way do YOU think he's going now? I'm not a gambling man, but I'll bet he's boiling in a lake of fire... amusing Beelzebub!

**JonathanB** · 09-09-2006, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Vin DSL

Gawd, you're the pathetic ones! This is the guy that dangled a month-old baby, head whipping around like a rag-doll, in front a hungry 'Croc' for what -- your amusement? Did you forget about that, you selfish hedonist bastards... or just overlook it... 'cause he was more than a wild and crazy guy -- he was a TV diety?!?!?

I don't think anyone here is defending the baby-croc incident, or even some of his other risky behavior.

I personally find it difficult to rejoice about anyone's death, except maybe for truly evil people.

**mattsiegman** · 09-09-2006, 03:30 PM

I still find it pathetic that you seem happy he's dead.

I also seriously doubt he's burning in hell...

I'm not going to defend the baby thing, but:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...02-irwin_x.htm

"If I could have my time again I would probably do things a little differently," he said. "But I would be considered a bad parent if I did not teach my children crocodile savvy because they live here. They live in crocodile territory ... so they have to be croc savvy."

He also claimed the danger posed by the crocodile was exaggerated.

"It's all about perceived danger; I was in complete control," said Irwin, flanked by his father, his wife and his 5-year-old daughter, Bindi. "People say, 'Well, what if you had fallen?' But for that to take place a meteorite would have had to come out of the sky and hit Australia at 6.6 on the Richter scale like in Iran."

Also, I'm not too happy about you calling everybody a "moron" and "selfish hedonistic bastard".