Giving more than 100% offtopic

[Frank Broughton]

LOL!

It really drives me crazy when athletes talk about giving 110% when they play the next game. Since 100% is the totality of the effort they can give, how can they possible give more than that? They can't. The best they can do is give 100%.

Its called "intestinal fortitude" in some cases and "in a zone" in others, and it IS possible.

[JonathanB]

Its called "intestinal fortitude" in some cases and "in a zone" in others, and it IS possible.

Sorry Frank, but it is still 100%. If a player really used that final push of "intestinal fortitude," and gave that extra effort, that is the total of effort they could have possibly given. It is 100%. If they didn't push for that extra effort, they gave less than 100%.

Much like the Packers last night -- who didn't seem to me were giving 100%. :-(

[Frank Broughton]

I let out one big yes when that kick cleared the post. I like the packers, but being from NY I have been a Bills, Giants and Browns fan for decades.

Only an athlete or ex in my case can understand 110% I guess.

[JonathanB]

Only an athlete or ex in my case can understand 110% I guess.

If by that you mean "one who has devoted so much time to athletics they never grasped the concept of percentage," then I agree.

[EuroNut]

...and perhaps your math...

OK, so here's how the maffs wot I woz tauwt at skewl wurks ....

Assume that I know 100 words of Italian.

Another guy also knows the same 100 words, so he has 100% of the knowledge of Italian that I do.

Webnet, on the other hand, being an Italian, knows 1000 words.

What percentage of my knowledge of Italian does Webnet have?

[JonathanB]

OK, so here's how the maffs wot I woz tauwt at skewl wurks ....

Assume that I know 100 words of Italian.

Another guy also knows the same 100 words, so he has 100% of the knowledge of Italian that I do.

Webnet, on the other hand, being an Italian, knows 1000 words.

What percentage of my knowledge of Italian does Webnet have?

That's a different concept EuroNut, involving two people.

Let me use your analogy. You know 100 words of Italian. You tell someone you're going to write 100% of the words you know down on a piece of paper. You only know 100 words, so that's all you can write down. It's impossible for you to write down 110% of the words you know, because you do not know 10 more words!

Obviously an athlete's effort isn't as concrete as the number of vocabulary words one might know, but he still can only give as much effort as is possible for him to give. That is 100%.

[JonathanB]

Alright, I'm spending way too much time on this...

EuroNut, I just went back and looked at your original post:

Your English is 1000% better than my Italian!

You ARE correct. Say if Webnet knew 1,000,000 words of English, and you knew 100 words of Italian, his knowledge of English could be 1000% better than your knowledge of Italian.

But, when looking at an individual, my athlete concept is still correct.

[EuroNut]

EuroNut, I just went back and looked at your original post:

You ARE correct.

Thank you! But can you convince Ron of this? LOL

Say if Webnet knew 1,000,000 words of English, and you knew 100 words of Italian, his knowledge of English could be 1000% better than your knowledge of Italian.

Yup. And as my knowledge of Italian probably extends to no more than about 7 or 8 words that I can remember off the menu down at the local pasta restaurant, my compliment to Webnet about his command of the English language stands good

But, when looking at an individual, my athlete concept is still correct.

I bet you can run at least 125% faster than me

[Ron]

OK, so here's how the maffs wot I woz tauwt at skewl wurks ....

Assume that I know 100 words of Italian.

Another guy also knows the same 100 words, so he has 100% of the knowledge of Italian that I do.

Webnet, on the other hand, being an Italian, knows 1000 words.

What percentage of my knowledge of Italian does Webnet have?

Webnet may have as much as 100% of the knowledge of Italian that you have and no more, but that's because of the strange way you worded the question.

If he knows every single word that you know, he would have 100% of the knowledge that you have. If, in your 100 word vocabulary, you know a word that he doesn't know then he would have less than 100% of the knowledge of Italian that you have, no matter how many Italian words he knows.

He can't possibly have more of your knowledge than you have!

Similarly, an athlete cannot give more than 100% of his total possible effort. He could give 110% of the effort usually considered to be a complete level of effort. He could also give 110% of the effort he usually gives. He could also give 110% of the effort that others give, or the average effort. He could give 100% if with his dying motion his nose pushed the ball a little bit farther, otherwise every athlete always gives less than 100%.

[EuroNut]

OK Ron,

So let's forget our word-bank percentages for a minute, and talk real money.

Assume that, right now, I have $100 in the bank, and that you have $1000.

By your argument, you can't possibly have more than 100% of my wealth, so you owe me $450 right now. Did you want to pay me that with a credit card, PayPal, or ...... ?

[Ron]

I dunno! Maybe I just have 1,000% of the cents that you possess. rofl

[CFusion]

Sorry Frank, but it is still 100%. If a player really used that final push of "intestinal fortitude," and gave that extra effort, that is the total of effort they could have possibly given. It is 100%. If they didn't push for that extra effort, they gave less than 100%.

Much like the Packers last night -- who didn't seem to me were giving 100%. :-(

Giving 110% depends on caiculations for the expected power giving, and they may push the machine to do over load that may generate more than calculated so that may pass the 100%..
If you do some gaming on flight simulator games you will notice that you can brust the engine to give over 100% some thing like 110% too, also you will notice that it can't hold more than 5 minuts and it break down..

[bubba]

o_o

Wow, how this thread has spiraled away into off-topic land...

[Frank Broughton]

That's a different concept EuroNut, involving two people.

Let me use your analogy. You know 100 words of Italian. You tell someone you're going to write 100% of the words you know down on a piece of paper. You only know 100 words, so that's all you can write down. It's impossible for you to write down 110% of the words you know, because you do not know 10 more words!

Ah, you are wrong, I could come up with more for there are more.

Just as there is MORE to give when it needs to be given above 100% for an athlete!

If you do some gaming on flight simulator games you will notice that you can brust the engine to give over 100% some thing like 110% too, also you will notice that it can't hold more than 5 minuts and it break down..

Now someone is getting it!

[Ron]

That's because there's a difference between giving all, and giving the rated amount of the engines.

The shuttle programmatically powers up to 104% of rated thrust for each launch... the design is higher than the rating, and it could probably go to say 120% for a short time before burning out or breaking down in some other way.

So technically, the shuttle only gives perhaps 80% effort to get people into space. Imagine if it tried harder!