[Off Topic-Politcal] America or Amerika?

[the_ancient]

The Presidential Race is over. There are 3 Contenders for the seat (McCain, Clinton, Obama), all of them Pro-Tax, Anti-Freedom liberals. So individualist, freedom loving people like myself have lost the White House yet again, Communists the world over are rejoicing. At last the end of the Untied States appears to be coming soon in the form of total economic collapse.

But all is not lost, our only chance at saving this county is to viote in strong constitutionalists to the House and Senate, Normally we look to the President to hold back the radical views of congress, however the times have changed, no matter which of the 3 we elect the country is in for a world of hurt if we don't have a strong congress to hold back the tide the radical views of these three. All of them (differently) will be VERY VERY VERY bad for this nation.

If you thought Bush was bad, you have not seen anything yet.....

I know allot of people that have the same views as I do are thinking about sitting out this election, DO NOT DO IT, you have to vote in the congressional races, it is the last hope we have. If not, you better break out the sickle and hammer

So take this time, Now till November, to learn all you can about the people running in your districts, and vote your ideals...

[Vin DSL]

Um...

We've got a whole Baseball Season ahead of us!

What are you talking about?

[the_ancient]

Um...

We've got a whole Baseball Season ahead of us!

What are you talking about?

Baseball? I would Rather watch Golf,

actually I would rather watch paint dry, that is more exciting

[Vin DSL]

Chill...

The elections are a long way off!

102 games, if I'm figuring right...

[the_ancient]

Chill...

The elections are a long way off!

102 games, if I'm figuring right...

not far enough,


On that Topic, I want to also Urge EVERYONE in a state that has not had their primaries yet to consider Huckabee, Mathematically I think he still have a (very very very) small chance at getting the republican nod,

he is the only real conservative left,

http://thelibertyreport.com/?cat=8

[Vin DSL]

I voted for Obama three times...

Still didn't help!

The fix is in...

What else do you want to cry about?

[the_ancient]

I voted for Obama three times...

Now why does that not surprise me

[mattsiegman]

I don't like Huckabee. He's too religious for a political leader. (Although I really want to see if he could actually get fairtax passed ) I don't really like the other options either.

That said, if McCain wasn't completely lying through his teeth at CPAC, he will at least be better then Hillary/Obama. (hopefully Hillary is the Dem. nominee, because then we'd have a chance)

Anyway, I agree, we have to reign in Congress. Unfortunately, that is where most of the problems are. The Senate is where we have the best chances, as the huge number of people in certain ultra-liberal states don't completely shout down the conservative states.

Anyway, I think the courts need to start striking down laws, left and right. The government has given itself too much power, and the courts haven't been active enough in checking this power. I'm currently in a Civil Liberties class, and looking at the older decisions (1800s), those justices were VERY strict on the power of the fed. government. I wish things were more like that.

(another problem is the two party system we have... who'd have know George Washington was right?)

[the_ancient]

I don't like Huckabee. He's too religious for a political leader. (Although I really want to see if he could actually get fairtax passed ) I don't really like the other options either.

This is the biggest problem I have with people today, Huckabees Religion does not matter at all in the grand scheme of things?

Do you think he will try and instutite a state religion? if you awnser No to that, (and you should unless your a complete moron) then what does it matter?

I hate all forms of organized religion, but I will still support Huckabee because his position on every issue is RIGHT ON,

That said, if McCain wasn't completely lying through his teeth at CPAC, he will at least be better then Hillary/Obama. (hopefully Hillary is the Dem. nominee, because then we'd have a chance)

No He Wont, He is just at liberal at the other 2, Infact I think he will be WORSE than Clinton, why?? because he will be able to more effectively Naturalize the Republican resistance to socialism, Clinton will have to fight tooth and nail for it, McCain will not....

Anyway, I agree, we have to reign in Congress. Unfortunately, that is where most of the problems are. The Senate is where we have the best chances, as the huge number of people in certain ultra-liberal states don't completely shout down the conservative states.

Actually the House is been the Strongest Supporter of the Constitution in Recent Years, measures that have Full support of the Senate have FAILED UTTERLY in the house.

Anyway, I think the courts need to start striking down laws, left and right. The government has given itself too much power, and the courts haven't been active enough in checking this power. I'm currently in a Civil Liberties class, and looking at the older decisions (1800s), those justices were VERY strict on the power of the fed. government. I wish things were more like that.

(another problem is the two party system we have... who'd have know George Washington was right?)

So you think Washington was a good President?

In Washington's Farewell Address he stated

It is in an especial manner our duty as a people, with devout reverence and affectionate gratitude, to acknowledge our many and great obligations to Almighty God, and to implore Him to continue and confirm the blessings we experienced. It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.

I guess Washington would Not have had your support either, as he was very religious....

[Frank Broughton]

George Washington was a great statesmen. Today we have career politicians. Thus we are doomed. We are doomed as we continue voting in error. We have done this as a nation for decades. Electing the same career politicians.

Mike Hucabee's religion does not bother me, it is a wee bit liberal for me. It is his spending habits that bother me.

There is only one viable 100% pro-life, truly conservative candidate still running. That man is the honorable Ron Paul. He has my vote right now. If he drops out of the Republican race there is hope he would accept the Constitution Party node. I would vote for Ron Paul on the CP Party ticket.

Besides that, I am running. I received four votes in 2004! Ya'all can pencil in my name. I promise you no promises. Hey wait that was a promise. Oh well - when the "Righteous Judge" comes - He will rule with a rod of iron. That is a sure promise and my manta.

Now Vin is right, we have baseball, for those with thinking minds (who can still read a book and enjoy it) it is a very exciting action packed game. There is nothing to compare to a game seven of the World Series when you have been following the team all year and your team is down runs in the bottom of the ninth and they come back and win. Every pitch is suspense and possibly could result in jubilation or hurt!

Need I say it - go Yankees! This is the year Joe G will take 'em to the promised land! What say ye Bosox fans?

Obama; hmmm - he just might be what this nation needs to wake up from it licentious ways.

[the_ancient]

There is only one viable 100% pro-life, truly conservative candidate still running. That man is the honorable Ron Paul. He has my vote right now. .

Ron Paul has stated many many many many many many times that he will NEVER run as a third party candidate, He has already lost the Nomination for the Republicans, thus he is not going to be a candidate for president this year.

I do love the fact your biggest issues he abortion, an issue that the president has no control over. that is the courts and Congress, not the president.


I give a flip what the persons views on abortion is, I care 2 issuses

1> If they support responsible and fair taxation (aka the fair tax)
2> IF their goal is to return the federal government back to its constitutional roots, Which would involved ending 85% of the federal agencies, and 85% of the spending (including all Welfare and Social Security)

That is all, everything else should be STATE issues, not federal ones. Healthcare, Welfare (if any) Abortion, marriage, etc etc etc etc etc are all STATE issues not federal ones.

[Frank Broughton]

I agree on the state issues. But I also care about the American Holocaust.

I have this thought often; some angry human shaking his hand at God saying, ya if you loved people so much why did you not allow a cure for cancer or this or that and God says this; I do care and I did send a cure, but you killed everyone I sent it with!

Ignore that if it offensive to you and point me to one of Ron Paul's many statements that he would not go third party (not saying he did not say it - would just like to read it myself). Some of us are hopeful he will. You never know what could happen with a third party. Not that the CFR Fox news would help. They have made Ron Paul look like an idiot at every turn.

I am all for ending many Federal Government controls. I also would have fought with the South when they tried. That being a New Yorker is a saying much. It is all about money old one, all about money. Too bad they all do not have the peace I have about money - they could and so could you.

[DanSafee]

I agree on the state issues. But I also care about the American Holocaust.

I have this thought often; some angry human shaking his hand at God saying, ya if you loved people so much why did you not allow a cure for cancer or this or that and God says this; I do care and I did send a cure, but you killed everyone I sent it with!

Ignore that if it offensive to you and point me to one of Ron Paul's many statements that he would not go third party (not saying he did not say it - would just like to read it myself). Some of us are hopeful he will. You never know what could happen with a third party. Not that the CFR Fox news would help. They have made Ron Paul look like an idiot at every turn.

I am all for ending many Federal Government controls. I also would have fought with the South when they tried. That being a New Yorker is a saying much. It is all about money old one, all about money. Too bad they all do not have the peace I have about money - they could and so could you.

I am also a big advocate of Ron Paul. The guy has character, a solid voting record (something huckabee doesn't have) and he wants the government to get its fingers out of our lives and only take care of the responsibilities that are required (military, police and emergency, roads, legal system etc..)

Its not the governments job to give us handouts and free stuff.

I voted for RP in the NY primary.

John McCain is a toss up and i'm not even sure what he believes. I mean I know what he says he believes but he as abstained from voting on so many bills (especially controversial ones) that its as if he's trying to leave himself wiggle room on issues. Another downside is that he voted for the patriot act and he wants to remain involved in the middle east for years to come, something that we can't afford financially even if it was a good idea).

Just my 2 cents.

[the_ancient]

I agree on the state issues. But I also care about the American Holocaust.

I have this thought often; some angry human shaking his hand at God saying, ya if you loved people so much why did you not allow a cure for cancer or this or that and God says this; I do care and I did send a cure, but you killed everyone I sent it with!

Ignore that if it offensive to you

That does not bother me, it is just not a federal or presidential issue

and point me to one of Ron Paul's many statements that he would not go third party (not saying he did not say it - would just like to read it myself). Some of us are hopeful he will. You never know what could happen with a third party. Not that the CFR Fox news would help. They have made Ron Paul look like an idiot at every turn.

Here is about 20 interviews where he has said that

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SXtEPKlJhak

There is ZERO chance of a third party winning, why, because after the Perot, they changed the election process to eliminate the third parties from the debates and making it damn near impossible to get on ballots,

The Electoral Collage is elected by the 2 Parties, which even further limits the chace for the presidential race


I would love to see Ron Paul advance, but he cant do it under our system right now.

I am all for ending many Federal Government controls. I also would have fought with the South when they tried. That being a New Yorker is a saying much. It is all about money old one, all about money. Too bad they all do not have the peace I have about money - they could and so could you.

I am shocked, I thought everyone bought in to the "Civil war was all about ending slavery" mantra

[the_ancient]

I am also a big advocate of Ron Paul. The guy has character, a solid voting record (something huckabee doesn't have) and he wants the government to get its fingers out of our lives and only take care of the responsibilities that are required (military, police and emergency, roads, legal system etc..)

Its not the governments job to give us handouts and free stuff.

I voted for RP in the NY primary.

The problem is RP has no chance of getting the nomination, Huckabee does/did, until the next round of primaries,

Huckbee is 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000X better than McCain, (see below for why)

John McCain is a toss up and i'm not even sure what he believes. I mean I know what he says he believes but he as abstained from voting on so many bills (especially controversial ones) that its as if he's trying to leave himself wiggle room on issues. Another downside is that he voted for the patriot act and he wants to remain involved in the middle east for years to come, something that we can't afford financially even if it was a good idea).

Just my 2 cents.

John McCain is not a "Toss Up"

He is very clear

Pro-Gun Control
Pro-Federalizing health care (although not to the extent of Obama or Clinton but he would support the Democrat Socialist Plans)
Pro-Income Tax
Pro-Open borders
Is for Giving every illegal citizen ship
Global Warming Nut Job (against domestic Drilling and Nuclear power)
Anti-First Amendment
Pro-Welfare
has no problems "working with" democrats to advance the socialist movement


His Positions are Clear, I dont know where the confusion is, He is a Liberal Demo err Republican....