And people here say google cant be stopped

[the_ancient]

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2329414,00.asp

if you have been following the release of "Chrome" you know that the EULA has it in lang that more or less said you gave google the right to use any content or IP you submited with the browser....


But they have caved under public pressure... This is what Competition Get yous...

and it proves my point that while google is a very large company they can not "do anything they wish" which seems to be the running theme on this forum

[homoludens]

Like most organisations and people they can, in fact, do near anything they wish; it's whether or not they can, or want to, weather the consequences.

Nothing "stopped" google. They just realised that including their generic google EULA with chrome was going to cost them PR and therefore dollars.

This is what Competition Get

Which is why some markets need to be regulated into some semblance of competition ...

[the_ancient]

Which is why some markets need to be regulated into some semblance of competition ...

You dont regulate Competition, you regulate socialism

[Pawel Kowalski]

Utility companies are a classic example of where you regulate business to simulate competition.

[homoludens]

Who said anything about regulating competition?

If you want to talk about regulating government, well there's this thing called the constitution which defines a set of rules according to which government is supposed to operate. So all forms of US government, are in theory, regulated. What a socialist paradise the US must be!

[homoludens]

Utility companies are a classic example of where you regulate business to simulate competition.

TA misses the "in order to" that we both appreciate.

Another example of where regulation is needed is advertising. If advertisers are allowed to lie, then markets are not free.

[the_ancient]

Who said anything about regulating competition?

If you want to talk about regulating government, well there's this thing called the constitution which defines a set of rules according to which government is supposed to operate. So all forms of US government, are in theory, regulated. What a socialist paradise the US must be!

you said "markets need to be regulated into competition"

WTF does that have to do with the constitution, which as you eluded to but I dont think understand, places limits on what our government is allowed to do.

[the_ancient]

Utility companies are a classic example of where you regulate business to simulate competition.

ROFL, if you think regulated Utilities "simulate" competition I have a Bridge to sell you...

[Pawel Kowalski]

ROFL, if you think regulated Utilities "simulate" competition I have a Bridge to sell you...

Care to expend on that at all? Actually forget it, I'm suddenly in no mood for politics today.

[homoludens]

you said "markets need to be regulated into competition"

Notice that I didn't say competition should be regulated. Hence your remark about one not regulating competition was rather irrelevant.

WTF does that have to do with the constitution, which as you eluded to but I dont think understand, places limits on what our government is allowed to do.

Your little soundbite about regulating socialism ... any government your country has will be regulated if it is subject to the set of regulations that are stipulated in the constitution.

You know how you don't like it when the Bush administration sticks two fingers up at the constitution? That's because you want your government to be regulated. As I've pointed out, and has been painfully obvious to any intelligent observer, stopping these transgressions can be a bit hard, the constitution notwithstanding.

[the_ancient]

Notice that I didn't say competition should be regulated. Hence your remark about one not regulating competition was rather irrelevant.

umm "the market" == competition, thus "regulating the market" == "regulating competition"

Your little soundbite about regulating socialism ... any government your country has will be regulated if it is subject to the set of regulations that are stipulated in the constitution.

You know how you don't like it when the Bush administration sticks two fingers up at the constitution? That's because you want your government to be regulated. As I've pointed out, and has been painfully obvious to any intelligent observer, stopping these transgressions can be a bit hard, the constitution notwithstanding.

ofcourse I want the GOVERNMENT regulated and controlled. wtf does that have to do with this conversation?

Care to expend on that at all?

In the Entire History of the IUC (Indiana regulatory commission) I can count on 1 hand the number of times they have denyed a "needed rate increase" that a public utility applied for.

You can look at the published rates for all of the utilities and see there is a wide (300-400%) difference in the rates the utilities are allowed to charge. Regulated utilities are nothing more than Local, government authorized Monopolies that in many cases are required by law to be connected to and utilize, (esp in the case of water utilities). There is ZERO competition, real or imagined.

[homoludens]

umm "the market" == competition, thus "regulating the market" == "regulating competition"

Umm, your premise is false. A market is where products and or services are bought, sold or otherwise exchanged - competition is not inherent to this process. A market with one buyer or one seller is not competitive, nor is any market sufficiently close to that state (economics 101, that sort of thing); and most right-thinking people would realise that a market that sells itself deceptively is not free and not competitive. In fact there is a large range of conditions under which a market can be considered uncompetitive. You favour some of them when it suits your purpose: tarrifs, trade embargoes, restricted movement of labour ...

ofcourse I want the GOVERNMENT regulated and controlled. wtf does that have to do with this conversation?

Again, it is a rejoinder to your dribbling inanity about regulating socialism.

[Pawel Kowalski]

I get it, it would be better if there was no regulation in Indiana and the utility companies could do whatever they want. I'll leave it there, you win.

[Ron]

Actually, I'm more concerned that everytime I take my PC out of hibernation and at random periods during the day the Google Installer which was apparently installed as part of the Chrome installation tries several times to access the internet.

[the_ancient]

Actually, I'm more concerned that everytime I take my PC out of hibernation and at random periods during the day the Google Installer which was apparently installed as part of the Chrome installation tries several times to access the internet.

I have not, nor will I be anytime soon, installed chrome...

I still dont agree with some parts of the EULA.