Is Jag Green?

[thecoalman]

LOL...suckers born every minute.

Sorry if this one broke the rules but I couldn't help myself.

Can I get a "This site is certifiably NOT Green" icon?

[the_ancient]

if JPC does start buy these worthess carbon "credit" I will close all of my accounts here..


Somehow I think Greg is smarter than that though, on second thought he did join the BBB so......

[JPC-Nick]

Dreamhost is:

LOL...suckers born every minute.

Sorry if this one broke the rules but I couldn't help myself.

Can I get a "This site is certifiably NOT Green" icon?

I went their from inside nixcore, and my first instinct was wtf what have we done to them to provoke this..

[the_ancient]

I went their from inside nixcore, and my first instinct was wtf what have we done to them to provoke this..

It is not an attack on JPC per say, They are fetching the Reffer and generating the message based on that.

However I would put nothing past to Worthless SOBs that run that company, (yes I have done business with them, no I will never do it again)

[JPC-Nick]

It is not an attack on JPC per say, They are fetching the Reffer and generating the message based on that.

However I would put nothing past to Worthless SOBs that run that company, (yes I have done business with them, no I will never do it again)

Yeah I figured that out after about a minute of staring at it in disbelief when I looked at the URL.

[Pawel Kowalski]

Not really sure why a company voluntarily investing in renewable energy is a bad thing. Are they doing it for marketing reasons? Obviously. Is their little "green.cgi" script flawed? Sure, but it is a script meant to let their customers place a logo on their site (quite a brilliant marketing move actually). But then again this is thecoalman that is criticizing clean energy, why am I not shocked? Hopefully you don't live in Kingston PA, they just found out the hard way one of the things that coal does to our enviroment.

[the_ancient]

Not really sure why a company voluntarily investing in renewable energy is a bad thing. Are they doing it for marketing reasons? Obviously. Is their little "green.cgi" script flawed? Sure, but it is a script meant to let their customers place a logo on their site (quite a brilliant marketing move actually). But then again this is thecoalman that is criticizing clean energy, why am I not shocked? Hopefully you don't live in Kingston PA, they just found out the hard way one of the things that coal does to our enviroment.

I think the only proper response to this is

[Pawel Kowalski]

I think the only proper response to this is

At this point I'm starting to think you would have the same response for someone giving to charity, in your head it would be an example of their inner communist.

[thecoalman]

I went their from inside nixcore, and my first instinct was wtf what have we done to them to provoke this..

Sorry about that, should have posted plain text. Feel free to edit it. If you have the link on your site and it's hosted there it will come up as "this site is certified Green" or some bull****.

Not really sure why a company voluntarily investing in renewable energy is a bad thing. Are they doing it for marketing reasons? Obviously. Is their little "green.cgi" script flawed? Sure, but it is a script meant to let their customers place a logo on their site (quite a brilliant marketing move actually). But then again this is thecoalman that is criticizing clean energy, why am I not shocked? Hopefully you don't live in Kingston PA, they just found out the hard way one of the things that coal does to our enviroment.

Pawel its as bad as those credits, let me ask you this... If I lived in a 12,000 sq. foot home with just me and wife and burned 12 times the energy the average home uses would you consider me green just because I bought these credits or a hypocrite? they are just passing the buck, the electricity they are using is made from the same place everyone is...

As far as Kingston... you just made do mad dash to the local papers as I live about 8 miles from Kingston, PA but unless I missed something I believe you are referring to the Kingston Plant in Tenn. with the ash spill? That's about 600 or 700 miles away....

[Pawel Kowalski]

Yup, I was talking about Kingston Tenn, sorry for some reason I could have sworn it was in PA (just searched and there is a kingston in PA< how many kingstons are there in this country?).

It's not a matter of me considering you green because you buy carbon offsets. Yes, it is a little like paying the priest to forgive your sins. But the fact remains that this money does get invested in to clean renewable energy. And if a company wants to do this off their own free will I don't know why anyone would have a problem with that. It's actually a very good thing. I hope you aren't like TA who would stop buying service from any company that invested in such a thing.

[JPC-Greg]

These so called "green credits" are not legit, and nothing more than a big ass rip off scheme. In fact I highly encourage everyone to start their own green credit selling site before this trend gets shut down. But just to keep a hand on rising power costs I think everyone host is as green as they can be right now these days. There just arent a lot of options when it comes to serving out terabytes of data on fast machines and fast lines. Datacenters burn up so much power that not one of them ever should be labeled green IMHO. When they start making affordable pc cases made of recycled material, we will buy them too.

[JPC-Greg]

Yup, I was talking about Kingston Tenn, sorry for some reason I could have sworn it was in PA (just searched and there is a kingston in PA< how many kingstons are there in this country?).

It's not a matter of me considering you green because you buy carbon offsets. Yes, it is a little like paying the priest to forgive your sins. But the fact remains that this money does get invested in to clean renewable energy. And if a company wants to do this off their own free will I don't know why anyone would have a problem with that. It's actually a very good thing. I hope you aren't like TA who would stop buying service from any company that invested in such a thing.

Research the companies first, and not just their website. Many of them arent doing a thing. Hell, if you guys all really want to invest in green and buy up credits ill take up an offering. I'll put up a site, buy the land, and start planting trees everytime someone orders, rinse and repeat filling up land with trees. Of course Im going to use this land for jagpc recreation retreats and other things too but hey...its what they are doing as well.

Who would have thought theres a business to get people to pay you to buy land in your name and plant some trees.

Seriously, we might need to consider this.

[the_ancient]

These so called "green credits" are not legit, and nothing more than a big ass rip off scheme. In fact I highly encourage everyone to start their own green credit selling site before this trend gets shut down. But just to keep a hand on rising power costs I think everyone host is as green as they can be right now these days. There just arent a lot of options when it comes to serving out terabytes of data on fast machines and fast lines. Datacenters burn up so much power that not one of them ever should be labeled green IMHO. When they start making affordable pc cases made of recycled material, we will buy them too.

Dont let Socialist, Mini Stalin's like Pawel get you down....

They would love nothing more than to send everyone off to the dark ages...

[the_ancient]

At this point I'm starting to think you would have the same response for someone giving to charity, in your head it would be an example of their inner communist.

No I fully Support Charity's

Infact I have already given about $1,000 to the Salvation army this year, and Will probably give them another $500 before the new year...


"Carbon Credits" are about as big as a scam as the Red Cross (which I am sure you think is a good charity as well)

[Pawel Kowalski]

Research the companies first, and not just their website.

Funny you should say that, I was just doing the research. It looks like one of the places they buy their offsets from is:

http://www.b-e-f.org/renewables/

If you look on that site they generate 44kW of energy at this point, which fluctuates throughout the day since they are using solar. 44kW is enough to power maybe 20 air conditioners. I'm not sure this is an argument against offsets, it's probably more of an argument against solar. Looking around this organization sold 1,520,753 offsets in 2007, from what I see the retail price for these offsets is around $20. That means people paid over 30 million dollars in 2007 for 385,440kwH of power (44kW x 24hours x 365 days = 385,440kwH)? I hope these guys are investing in other things, because if they aren't $80+ per killowatt hour is quite a bit more than the current market price of around 10 cents.

I'm hoping my math isn't right here, I have to be missing something or this has to be one of the best scams ever. And my statement only applies to this one organization, I can't comment on any others.