Don't you hate it when you take a DLL and ram it into your IE?

[flipdoubt]

Don't you hate it when that happens? Gotta hate that.

Outlook and IE were getting along fine: whenever I clicked on a hyperlink in an email message, IE opened the correct URL and everyone was happy. Now, when I click on a hyperlink in Outlook, IE opens but never really gets out. No URL is in the address bar.

Strangely, the same thing happens with Metapad,

The only event that I can trace is when I registered mozctlx.dll so I could test my CSS against Gecko in TopStyle.

Man I hate that: anybody ever have that happen?

[Neva]

Somewhat tongue-in-cheek suggestion:

That's when you switch over to Mozilla full-time!

*whistles innocently*

Honestly, I don't know why anybody sticks with O/IE... at least, anybody who's moderately competant with computers. Mozilla is a wondrous thing. Tabs! Popup Blocking! Security!

Okay, so I'm a little over-enthusiastic.

[flipdoubt]

So this doesn't happen to anyone but me?

[wwww]

I was just going to suggest the same thing as Neva did already

Good job, Neva...we geeks really need to speak up and promote who the real daddy of all browsers is now

[G.Bloke]

Originally posted by wwww
I was just going to suggest the same thing as Neva did already

Good job, Neva...we geeks really need to speak up and promote who the real daddy of all browsers is now

Hmmm I'd swap you two Mozilla's for Opera any day

As for email, well I'm a Eudora fan

[Neva]

Mozilla is Open Source. Opera is not.

Opera either costs money or shows you banner-ads. Mozilla does not.

[flipdoubt]

All I had to do was update my .Net Framework stuff to Service Pack 2, and now Outlook and IE are back on speaking terms.

[G.Bloke]

Originally posted by Neva
Mozilla is Open Source. Opera is not.

Opera either costs money or shows you banner-ads. Mozilla does not.

Yup and yet I'd still swap In fact I know many who either pay out or be faced with banner ads to use Opera in preference to Moz.

Anyway I was frankly disappointed that in creating Moz from scratch they didn't have the imagination to break away from the Netscape design ... open source or not I find it ugly and clunky in a way that all netscape builds have been for years.

[wwww]

Originally posted by G.Bloke


Yup and yet I'd still swap In fact I know many who either pay out or be faced with banner ads to use Opera in preference to Moz.

Anyway I was frankly disappointed that in creating Moz from scratch they didn't have the imagination to break away from the Netscape design ... open source or not I find it ugly and clunky in a way that all netscape builds have been for years.

I don't choose a browser for its looks, but for its ability to display websites and there is Mozilla muuuch better than Opera.

And if you are really that much into looks, you can just customize Mozilla with the NS 6.x skins in a way that can't be done with Opera.

[Neva]

I can't wait until more people get into theming Mozilla/NS6+. Though... I've always been more fond of Netscape's layout than IE's. What's Opera, design-wise, that makes it so much better?

[Toly]

Mozilla seems like an exact copy of Netscape, the first time i opened it i thought i was using netscape.

Anyways, i just wish Microsoft released an IE version for linux... that would be cool.

[Neva]

Mozilla is the basis for Netscape 6/7. They aren't the same thing. Netscape's got added features, but Mozilla releases new versions more often. (And doesn't require you to jump through hoops to turn off your popups; Netscape 7 still has the feature, but it's hidden.)

[G.Bloke]

Originally posted by wwww


I don't choose a browser for its looks, but for its ability to display websites and there is Mozilla muuuch better than Opera.

And if you are really that much into looks, you can just customize Mozilla with the NS 6.x skins in a way that can't be done with Opera.

I don't choose a browser for its looks either wwww ... the suggestion that I do is actually quite insulting. What I was talking about is design ... the layout of options, the distribution of commands across the menus, the format of the settings screens and not to mention the toolbars. Opera suits me better in this regard than Netscape or Moz ever have. As far as the display of webpages, well Opera conforms exactly to the W3C standards, which is all any browser should do (and in fact the last few builds of Moz I tried actually failed to conform) ... so I'm not quite sure how Moz displays pages better than opera ... perhaps you'd explain?

Neva - Like I said above, its down to personal choice. Opera has everything set out how I like it ... Moz/NS never have. I probably would be using Moz right now if they'd created something new instead of just re-creating Netscape. In fact I've felt before now that the whole Mozilla project was just a ploy to bring the Open Source groupies into the Netscape fold.

[G.Bloke]

Oh incidently I should point out that being a good little web designer I have all the latest versions of all the major browsers installed. Whilst it stupid that I should even need them all, especially as all my work conforms exactly to the standards, some browsers including Mozilla still won't display the pages as they should ... hence its good pratice to check work in them all.

[flipdoubt]

I sense a flame war coming on, but I'm not asking this to fan any flames: how well does Opera handle Javascript? (Again, it's not a rhetorical question: I simply don't know.) And CSS? And Java?

Regarding testing against various versions ... yeah, ya gotta. But how do you do that with IE, as it is so tightly bundled with whatever version of Windows you're using? I've long thought that you have to have multiple machines with multiple OSes patched with multiple gradations of MS service patches.