Post/Php Nuke? Or not.

[salewit]

Sigh.. I have a hefty project to fulfill. I have to create a "Yahoo Groups" style website. I thought I could perhaps program the user database, and somehow integrate that with my two favorites Gallery and PhpBB2, but that quickly became a nightmare, and technically too much for me.

Then I thought I'd try one of the Nukes not at all knowing what the heck they really are. I went to the Php-Nukes site, and they gave you a short blurb about it what it was. Then I stumbled across the Postnuke site (is it me or is this the most confusing website on planet earth?) and couldn't find a simple "What Postnuke is or does".

So I went ahead and got Php-nukes, and had all kinds of problems even though I followed the installation perfectly. In disgust I deleted the whoe thing.

I don't even know if this is what I want. Does anyone know if there is anything close to some sort of integrated package that even vaguely resembles Yahoo groups?

Thanks
Sam

[TeeJay]

I never tried phpnuke but I am running Postnuke for my site. the install is very easy just read thru the manual. I have no prior programming or php/mySql experience before. And I didn't encounter any problem installing it. The same goes for installing phpBB and Gallery modules on it. Go to pnphpbb.com for the postnuke version of phpBB. If you are going to install Gallery, you might as well check out gallery_random_block_V_0_41.tar.gz

Last suggestion is to go to pnForum section and read through some of the comments there.

I've never done any search on this one yet but some of the guys from PN are involve in this project http://www.xaraya.com. It's another CMS. You might want to check them out.

[Vin DSL]

My site is Nuked ( www.Lenon.com ). It takes a while to get used to PHP-Nuke, like anything else. It's a steep learning curve at first, but once you get used to it, it's a no-brainer to work on. I rebuilt my site in less than two hours, during a recent server crash 'n' burn.

I'm not going to talk it up or talk it down, but PHP-Nuke is the 'big dog' in CMS. Take that for what it's worth...

If you want to find out what Nuking is all about, I strongly suggest you spend some time reading the following:

http://www.karakas-online.de/EN-Book/book1.html

This is the best place I know of to get the low-down on PHP-Nuke...

[mattsiegman]

All those suck

They are overly complicated.

Try one of these for an easy one:
http://www.eztarch.com
or pfabb (used to be YaPP, can't remember URL)

[Vin DSL]

Originally posted by mattsiegman
All those suck

They are overly complicated...

LoL! That's why I don't want to get into it. You guys are like babes, lost in the woods, and the sun is going down. Most ppl don't have a clue when it comes to CMS. I can guarantee 99% of the ppl reading this thread don't even know what we're talking about, i.e. the original post. "I heard this" --- "I think that" --- "I read something, somewhere, but I dunno"...

PHP-Nuke is NOT for boneheads. It is NOT 'user' friendly, e.g. 'user' pretending to be a web MASTER. If you don't understand PHP and MySQL, you are going to be buried in quicksand very shortly. If you are one of these web MASTERS that depend on Cpanel to make your site run, you should probably forget CMS. FrontPage is more your speed.

It should be obvious, to any right thinking person, that CMS is the future of the Internet. Whether PHP-Nuke stays on top is the only thing open for debate, and I don't feel like debating that. ----

I've been doing this BBS/web stuff for a LONG time. To me, PHP-Nuke is a piece of cake, but to others it's like... piece of cake? What's cake? Should I just throw it in the toilet, or do you eat it first? Okay, how do you eat cake? Has anyone ever had cake before? What does it taste like? What if I like pie better? Can I switch back to pie without cleaning my plate? Do you use the same fork with cake and pie?

When you get involved with the CMS community, everyone assumes everyone else knows the basics. If they 'talk' over your head and you get frustrated, that doesn't mean the core technology is faulty. That just means you're stupid. You know what I'm saying?

[mattsiegman]

I hate PHP-Nuke, Postnuke, and other CMSes because they are not flexible anough.

I write my own software, or at least find software I like and mush the products together.

(If you don't believe I know what I'm talking about.... I can prove I do )

But anyhow, I don't see PHP-Nuke becoming the future of the web. It is too bulky, not configurable enough, and slower than it could possibly be.

[Vin DSL]

Heh... you can't leave it alone, huh?

Originally posted by mattsiegman
I hate PHP-Nuke, Postnuke, and other CMSes because they are not flexible anough...

This statement proves you don't know jack about PHP-Nuke. (If you don't believe I know what I'm talking about.... I can prove I do )

I write my own software, or at least find software I like and mush the products together...

I'll trust your judgment on this matter. I don't know you personally. However, your choice of wording leads me to believe I have more faith in you than you do.

But anyhow, I don't see PHP-Nuke becoming the future of the web...

I'm trained in debate. This technique is called 'appeal to ignorance' and it doesn't work on me. You are trying to add credibility to your argument by feigning ignorance. Just because you don't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means YOU don't see it, or are pretending not to see it (willful ignorance).

I believe you have willed to ignore the facts because of some petty resentment toward ppl that would use a canned solution to their problem. You think they should write their own software and 'mush' things together like you do. In short, it's a matter of pride with you and that's the underlying issue here. It's YOUR inflexibility that forces the issue, not PHP-Nuke.

[mattsiegman]

I've used PHP-Nuke before. I didn't like it. I enjoyed Nuking it.

I don't see CMSes becoming the future of the web because people are too stupid and they are too lazy to figure them out. Canned solutions are fine, but for the average user, most CMS systems are too difficult to install. I've installed both of the major "Nuke" systems several times, and the people I installed them for didn't like them, so they went to PfaBB and Eztarch because they are simple to administrate.

The only problem with these two is that they are based on YaBB SE, which I personally do not like (I prefer the original line probably because I'm writing the next major version). So the administrator has to install two pieces of software.

Hell, I would write one, but I don't like working on admin sides too much, which is what my major problem is with most CMSes.

[sorry if I seem a bit grumpy, last week was long and I couldn't sleep well/much]

[Vin DSL]

Originally posted by mattsiegman
I've used PHP-Nuke before... I've installed both of the major "Nuke" systems several times... Hell, I would write one, but I don't like working on admin sides too much, which is what my major problem is with most CMSes...

Look, I'm trying to let you off the hook, cousin, but you keep taking the bait...

If you had used PHP-Nuke for any length of time you would realize that everything works off individual proggies that are mushed together, just like you said YOU like to do. Either you didn't use PHP-Nuke long enough, or you're fibbing.

PHP-Nuke, itself, is just an engine. Without all the individual products that are mushed together, if you will, you would be starring at a blank screen. PHP-Nuke is just the 'glue' that holds everything together; an open code interface, written in 100% PHP and 100% WC3 compliant. The rest is up to you!

When you install PHP-Nuke, it is setup with a bunch of 'canned' blocks, modules, et cetera. You can use all or none of them, and they are all accessible from a control panel. How hard is that? You can rewrite the whole thing from scratch, and have a completely unique site, or you can leave it alone and have it look like everyone elses'. Skill and imagination are the only limitations. That's why CMS is going to take over, and PHP-Nuke is #1.

So, let's just leave it at that, okay? Let the bro decide for himself. Either he has the stuff it's made of, or he doesn't. PHP-Nuke isn't for everyone, and that's a given...

[salewit]

Yikes.... Have you two (or anyone else willing to stick their head in here) ever tried Geeklog? I'm looking at it on hotscripts http://www.hotscripts.com/Detailed/5989.html and it has certainly gotten some great praise.

I'm not a full-fledged programmer myself, but I can certainly hack some Perl, Php and work with MySQL pretty easily.

I found problems with the Php-Nuke installation methods. For one, the install file tells you to edit the config.php file. One of the items on there is "prefix" and "user_prefix" (for the database table names). Then they tell you to use the nuke.sql file to create your tables. The problem is that the nuke.sql file already has the prefix "hard coded" into it. This is actually something I screwed up. I changed:

$prefix = "nuke";

to

$prefix = "";

Problem is, the nuke.sql has this in it (each table CREATE):

CREATE TABLE nuke_authors (

So I go to run the thing and I get errors up the wing-wang. None of which hint at not being able to access the DB.

So I fix that problem. I suppose that is a mistake on my end, but I think they should have mentioned in the config.php to make sure the .sql file matches whatever is put in $prefix).

Next the thing starts running, and it is asking me to enter a security code based on an image that is "supposed" to be there (but isn't). I check the Php-Nuke forum, and others have had the same problem and after trying to mess with some permissions, were told to go to another site to download and install this software called "nukeanalyze.php" or something like that. Sheesh! At that point I went for the "rm -r" on the entire installation. I've got enough problems. I don't need to be troubleshooting a package I don't even know will do what I want.

There's no doubt that many people use Php-Nuke and enjoy it. It just didn't work for me.

Geeklog?

[Vin DSL]

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[Zacrifice]

I can't help my self I must respond

Originally posted by Vin DSL
PHP-Nuke is NOT for boneheads. It is NOT 'user' friendly, e.g. 'user' pretending to be a web MASTER. If you don't understand PHP and MySQL, you are going to be buried in quicksand very shortly. If you are one of these web MASTERS that depend on Cpanel to make your site run, you should probably forget CMS. FrontPage is more your speed.

Vin, first of all, PHP-Nuke is for those who can't make there own backend, a true webmaster will make it them selfs because they know that you wont get what you want untill you make it your self (I have never used PHP-nuke or any other nuke style system)

It should be obvious, to any right thinking person, that CMS is the future of the Internet.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA **** that was funny

When you get involved with the CMS community, everyone assumes everyone else knows the basics. If they 'talk' over your head and you get frustrated, that doesn't mean the core technology is faulty. That just means you're stupid. You know what I'm saying?

Yes you really know what your talking about, mmhmmm, I have talked to many people who use nuke style systems who aint known **** about HTML, PHP, CSS, MySQL and the only thing they could do was upload with a form in a CPanel style system and do file permission changes and I have also known people who know PHP, CGI/Perl, HTML, CSS, SMILE and many many many others and they have had trouble with it WHY? because its **** and they want to push it beond its limits

ferther more the fact that you call people who can't under stand CMS setups stupid goes to show your insecurity, I think Vin if you are going to post on this forum, or any forum besides your own you need to develop some manners and learn how to deal with people who may come from a different background then the internet, because they too have a right to be here without having to listen to you dribble!

Now go back to your hole untill you get some manners!



salewit, there are many CMS setups available on the internet, how ever no one here can advise you on what would be the best one for you since we don't know exactly what you want to perform, how ever postnuke seems to be good also exoops isn't bad these are all just really basic and only perform vanila functions that are usually found on every site, when it comes to expanding you will find yout self limited to the capabilities of the package and your abilitys, How ever find one you believe would be the best for you and after you have it set up embark on learning some MySQL and PHP, you don't need to become a guru in either of these (I'm not but I can still use and modify any of them to my suiting but it requires more work then to make one from scratch) just learn enough to get you through

Ignore Vins rude comments and do what you want, if it doesn't work put it down to a learning experiance! )

Have fun and good luck!

[Vin DSL]

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[apgraham]

Zacrifice,
I take offence to your comment indicating that I'm not a "real webmaster" because I use canned CMS's. Do you really reinvent the wheel every time you need to drive somewhere? I can have a fully functioning, custom CMS driven website up and running before you get your first page of code written, If I need more functionality, I modify a module or write my own.
Also, I counted no less that 15 spelling and other syntactic errors in your post (NOT counting puctuation errors). I'd suggest further evaluation of your language skills before you complain about another persons post.

Original Poster,

PhpNuke and PostNuke are excellent for running a large portal type site. Phpwebsite is smaller, lighter, and easier to modify for running a smaller site.

If what you want is a BBS/Forum, These are much more powerfull than you need.

-Al

[Vin DSL]

Originally posted by apgraham
Do you really reinvent the wheel every time you need to drive somewhere?

No, you do not. That's the biggest reason to use CMS, IMHO.

There are a couple of points I would like to make:[list=1][*]When I work on my site, it requires that I tweek MySQL constantly. Why? Because PHP-Nuke is written in 100% PHP and runs on top of MySQL. There are a couple of different ways of doing this. For simple corrections and additions, the PHP-Nuke control panel works just fine. For other things, I use phpMyAdmin.

ANYTHING you do in the PHP-Nuke control panel can also be done with phpMyAdmin. phpMyAdmin allows you to tweek ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING in PHP-Nuke. The PHP-Nuke control panel only allows you to tweek certain things.

Maybe this is the 'limitation' that ppl think exists in PHP-Nuke.

This situation is no different than using Cpanel and phpMyAdmin on anything else. It is exactly the same. There is no difference. I don't know how many ways I can say it...
[*]Yesterday my DSL connection was down. I was using 56k dialup. I was 'shocked and awed' at how fast my Nuked site was. I know it's a little hard on the server side, or so 'they' say, but on this end it was smoking.

I didn't realize this and was apologizing to dialup users when I first Nuked my site. I thought it would be slower than snot.[/list=1]Anyway, sorry to cut this short, but I gotta run...