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I'm checking my root email and what do I find? (reason: 550 5.7.1 ... Mail from 66.227.19.111 refused by blackhole site relays.osirusoft.com) So I go ...

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    Exclamation SPAMMER Killing Everyone On JaguarPC

    I'm checking my root email and what do I find?

    (reason: 550 5.7.1 ... Mail from 66.227.19.111 refused by blackhole site relays.osirusoft.com)

    So I go here:

    http://relays.osirusoft.com/cgi-bin/rbcheck.cgi

    And enter the base IP of my dedicated server running nukecops.com and computercops.biz:

    http://relays.osirusoft.com/cgi-bin/rbcheck.cgi

    This is the result problem:

    [1] Jaguar Technologies, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S2763

    So I goto Spews and run a check on my IP:

    66.227.19.111

    What do I find?

    Jaguar Technologies
    |--------------------
    1, 66.227.16.0 - 66.227.23.255, Jaguar Technologies (Yipes)
    0, 66.227.56.0 - 66.227.63.255, Jaguar Technologies (Yipes)
    0, 66.227.64.0 - 66.227.71.255, Jaguar Technologies (Yipes)
    0, 66.227.72.0 - 66.227.87.255, Jaguar Technologies (Yipes)
    ---------------------|

    One spammer too many hosting here.

    See: <http://groups.google.com/groups?q=22&scoring=d>
    <http://groups.google.com/groups?selm....utoronto. ca>

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    [66.227.19.150] server1.netprofitleads.com

    www.extremepowerline.com has address 65.73.206.81
    www.extremepowerline.com has address 65.73.206.82
    www.extremepowerline.com has address 65.73.206.86

    genovadiscounts.com has address 65.249.65.36

    1, 66.227.17.84, Peter DeCaro / i-marketingpro.com (Jaguar Technologies LLC / nocdirect.com)
    1, 66.227.17.0/25, Jaguar Technologies LLC / nocdirect.com (Peter DeCaro / i-marketingpro.com)

    [66.227.18.1] texas.businessx.com / www.pos2life.biz

    1, 64.46.108.35, u-bulk.com
    1, 64.46.108.1 - 64.46.108.255, u-bulk.com (aletia.com)
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    OrgName: Jaguar Technologies LLC
    OrgID: JTL-8
    Address: 4201 SW Freeway
    City: Houston
    StateProv: TX
    PostalCode: 77478
    Country: US

    NetRange: 66.227.16.0 - 66.227.23.255
    CIDR: 66.227.16.0/21
    NetName: YIPS-JTL-8-S020303
    NetHandle: NET-66-227-16-0-1
    Parent: NET-66-227-0-0-1
    NetType: Reassigned
    NameServer: NS.NOCDIRECT.COM
    NameServer: NS2.NOCDIRECT.COM
    Comment:
    RegDate: 2003-02-04
    Updated: 2003-02-04
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    OrgName: Jaguar Technologies LLC
    OrgID: JTL-8
    Address: 4201 SW Freeway
    City: Houston
    StateProv: TX
    PostalCode: 77478
    Country: US

    NetRange: 66.227.56.0 - 66.227.63.255
    CIDR: 66.227.56.0/21
    NetName: YIPS-JAGUAR-S082102-2
    NetHandle: NET-66-227-56-0-1
    Parent: NET-66-227-0-0-1
    NetType: Reassigned
    NameServer: NS.NOCDIRECT.COM
    NameServer: NS2.NOCDIRECT.COM
    Comment:
    RegDate: 2002-08-22
    Updated: 2002-09-25

    TechHandle: GL538-ARIN
    TechName: Landis, Greg
    TechPhone: +1-832-279-5529
    TechEmail: admin@jaguarpc.net
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    OrgName: Jaguar Technologies LLC
    OrgID: JTL-8
    Address: 4201 SW Freeway
    City: Houston
    StateProv: TX
    PostalCode: 77478
    Country: US

    NetRange: 66.227.72.0 - 66.227.87.255
    CIDR: 66.227.72.0/21, 66.227.80.0/21
    NetName: YIPS-JTL-8-A102102
    NetHandle: NET-66-227-72-0-1
    Parent: NET-66-227-0-0-1
    NetType: Reallocated
    Comment:
    RegDate: 2002-10-21
    Updated: 2002-10-21
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    OrgName: Jaguar Technologies LLC
    OrgID: JTL-8
    Address: 4201 SW Freeway
    City: Houston
    StateProv: TX
    PostalCode: 77478
    Country: US

    NetRange: 66.227.64.0 - 66.227.71.255
    CIDR: 66.227.64.0/21
    NetName: YIPS-JTL-8-S092302
    NetHandle: NET-66-227-64-0-1
    Parent: NET-66-227-0-0-1
    NetType: Reassigned
    NameServer: NS.NOCDIRECT.COM
    NameServer: NS2.NOCDIRECT.COM
    Comment:
    RegDate: 2002-09-23
    Updated: 2002-09-23
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Domain Name: NOCDIRECT.COM

    Registrant:
    Secure Web Services
    SSL Service (admin@nocdirect.com)
    4002 sw freeway
    Houston
    TX,77026
    US
    Tel. +713.9601581

    Creation Date: 13-Jan-2002
    Expiration Date: 13-Jan-2004

    Domain servers in listed order:
    ns.nocdirect.com
    ns2.nocdirect.com


    Administrative Contact:
    Secure Web Services
    SSL Service (admin@nocdirect.com)
    4002 sw freeway
    Houston
    TX,77026
    US
    Tel. +713.9601581

    Status: ACTIVE
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --- contacting nameserver: ns.nocdirect.com [66.227.57.1]

    nocdirect.com MX 0 nocdirect.com
    nocdirect.com NS ns.nocdirect.com
    nocdirect.com NS ns2.nocdirect.com
    nocdirect.com A 66.227.84.185
    nocdirect.com SOA
    origin = ns.nocdirect.com
    mail addr = root@ns.nocdirect.com
    serial = 2003052301
    refresh = 10800 (3 hours)
    retry = 3600 (1 hour)
    expire = 604800 (7 days)
    minimum ttl = 86400 ()
    nocdirect.com A 66.227.84.185
    ns.nocdirect.com A 66.227.57.1
    ns2.nocdirect.com A 66.227.56.5
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Last edited by Zhen-Xjell; 07-25-2003 at 10:27 AM.
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    Domain name- NOCDNS.COM

    Nameservers-
    ns1.aletia.com
    ns2.aletia.com

    Start of registration- Fri May 18 2001 03:50:17
    Registered through- Tue May 18 2004 03:50:17

    Registrant Contact-
    Jaguar Technologies LLC
    Domain Administrator (admin@jaguarpc.net)
    +1.112816330343
    FAX- +1.118885603607
    4201 sw freeway
    houston, TX 77027
    US

    Status: PROTECTED
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --- contacting nameserver: ns1.aletia.com [66.227.56.34]

    nocdns.com MX 0 nocdns.com
    nocdns.com SOA
    origin = ns.nocdirect.com
    mail addr = root@krypton.nocdirect.com
    serial = 1035812419
    refresh = 28800 (8 hours)
    retry = 7200 (2 hours)
    expire = 3600000 (41 days 16 hours)
    minimum ttl = 86400 ()
    nocdns.com NS ns2.nocdirect.com
    nocdns.com NS ns.nocdirect.com
    nocdns.com A 66.227.83.157
    nocdns.com A 66.227.83.157
    ns.nocdirect.com A 66.227.57.1
    ns2.nocdirect.com A 66.227.56.5
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Domain name: ALETIA.COM

    Registrant :
    Jaguar Technologies LLC
    Domain Administrator (admin@jaguarpc.net)
    +1.112816330343
    FAX: +1.118885603607
    4201 sw freeway
    houston, TX 77027
    US

    Status: PROTECTED

    Name servers:
    NS1.ALETIA.COM
    NS2.ALETIA.COM
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --- contacting nameserver: ns2.aletia.com [66.227.56.246]

    aletia.com SOA
    origin = ns1.aletia.com
    mail addr = root@ns1.aletia.com
    serial = 2002121905
    refresh = 28800 (8 hours)
    retry = 7200 (2 hours)
    expire = 3600000 (41 days 16 hours)
    minimum ttl = 86400 ()
    aletia.com NS ns1.aletia.com
    aletia.com NS ns2.aletia.com
    aletia.com NS ns3.aletia.com
    aletia.com A 66.227.56.28
    aletia.com MX 0 aletia.com
    ns1.aletia.com A 66.227.56.34
    ns2.aletia.com A 66.227.56.246
    ns3.aletia.com A 66.227.56.28
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    I follow the link to Google Groups:

    http://groups.google.com/groups?selm....utoronto. ca

    And sure enough as the above quote says:

    host server1.netprofitleads.com
    server1.netprofitleads.com has address 66.227.19.150

    host netprofitleads.com
    netprofitleads.com has address 66.227.19.150

    [whois.arin.net]
    Yipes Communications, Inc. YIPES-BLK5 (NET-66-227-0-0-1)
    66.227.0.0 - 66.227.127.255
    Jaguar Technologies LLC YIPS-JTL-8-S020303 (NET-66-227-16-0-1)
    66.227.16.0 - 66.227.23.255

    First spam was advertising:

    MMF internet home business @ www.extremepowerline.com

    host www.extremepowerline.com
    www.extremepowerline.com has address 65.73.206.81
    www.extremepowerline.com has address 65.73.206.82
    www.extremepowerline.com has address 65.73.206.86
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    Second spam was advertising:

    anabolic steroids @ www.genovadiscounts.com

    host www.genovadiscounts.com
    www.genovadiscounts.com is an alias for genovadiscounts.com.
    genovadiscounts.com has address 65.249.65.36

    At first sight, there doesn't appear to be any obvious connection
    between netprofitleads and the spam-advertised domains.
    This means the entire YIPES/JaguarPC IP Blocks are now BLOCKED in SPEWS. Get ready for your servers not being able to send emails because of these a-hole spammers.

    They need to be dealt with IMMEDIATELY as business is now at risk.

    The SPEWS FAQ # 42:

    Q42: My IP address/range is being listed by SPEWS but I'm not a spammer and I just signed up for this/these address(s). What can I do to be removed from the list?
    A42: SPEWS is just an automated system, if spam or spam involvement (hosting spammers, selling spamware) from your IP address/range ceases, it will drop out of the list in time. Normally the listing involves spam related problems with your host and the first step you need to take is to complain to them about the listing, in almost all cases, they are the only people who can get an address/range out of the SPEWS list. If there is a spam related problem with your host, their IP address/range will not be removed until it is resolved. If your host or network is certain a listing mistake has been made, ask them to read this FAQ then post a message in a public forum mentioned above with the SPEWS record number (eg. S123) and/or the IP address/range information in it. Placing the text "SPEWS:" in the subject can help a SPEWS editor or developer see the message and they may double check the listing - note that, although others may, no SPEWS editor or developer will ever reply to the posting. Will this get your IP address/range removed from a SPEWS listing? Again, not if there are currently spam related problems with your host. Be aware that posting ones email address to any publicly viewable forum or website makes it instantly available to spammers. If you're concerned about getting spammed, change or "mung" the email address you use to post with.
    I have just opened an URGENT dedicated ticket with JagPC on this issue.

    Heads up everyone, it seems like we may all be blocked right now. I'm not confirming everyone's IP, but via SPEWS, it seems like the whole blocks are listed.

    Test yours here:

    http://relays.osirusoft.com/cgi-bin/rbcheck.cgi

    And certainly post results. Is this just me? I hope so... but I fear it may not be.

    Thanks to www.extremepowerline.com and www.genovadiscounts.com for taking doing this to us.
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    Dedicated server response team at JagPC writes:

    Frankly speaking spews operates in a strange way, they just block the entire ISP thinking they will stop the spam. I had a very bad experience with them in the past. Anyway, we are looking into it now. But its going to take sometime to have the whole JaguarPC network IPs removed from there.

    Most of the domains reported in Spam are already gone from Jaguar Network. But I think one is still active. So will need to deal with it.
    My recommendation is you alert your customers to this thread and advise them you aren't a SPAMMER.
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    Spews is notorious for blocking entire ISP based on few spam reports. Many big NOCs remain blocked in spews probably since it started. Who knows?

    There was a heated discussion on it sometimes in WHT forums. They think they will stop the spam this way. The facts speak against it. 99% of spammers leave the network once the damage is done, like this current case is in front of us. And then the rest of the damage is done by spews by blocking legitimate emails.

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    That's a real problem. I don't believe that blocking an entire IP block is an appropriate solution. I think its time folks start thinking of a class action lawsuit against SPEWS. I hate SPAM, but not at the expense of bringing my own business down.
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    Spews say they don't force anyone to use their list. Its actually the choice of other network operators/admins who use spews blacklist. I think mostly spews creators/defenders use it themselves.

    No one would like to block entire ISPs and block their users emails. If we start using spews and other lists, half of the legitimate emails will start bouncing, but spam will continue to be there. Because spammer will spam from a fresh and unblocked IP

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    66.227.59.72 is NOT DNSBL listed by dnsbl.sorbs.net Nomination policy information
    Number of sites listing this IP: 0

    I'm assuming the above means my ISP is not on the block list.

    You might want to read this article if you haven't already.

    Spam peddlers hijack computers

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3036092.stm

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    Originally posted by Zhen-Xjell

    Test yours here:

    http://relays.osirusoft.com/cgi-bin/rbcheck.cgi

    And certainly post results. Is this just me? I hope so... but I fear it may not be...
    It's NOT just you ZX. Here's my site...
    (127.0.0.4) 66.227.17.133 is DNSbl listed. by spews.relays.osirusoft.com
    [1] Jaguar Technologies, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S2763
    Please visit this link for instructions about how spews operates.
    This zone maintained by spews.org
    Please visit this link for questions about why your mail was bounced.
    You know what I find so disturbing about all this? The biggest reason I want to run a dedicated IP is so sh!t like this doesn't happen. Maybe this recent conversation explains it better:

    VinDSL: Do you get a dedicated IP with an account here?

    VinDSL: LoL! Never mind. I found it. Pro packages only, right?

    ASP: Correct professional packages only. However, why do you want your own IP? I might be able to help you out.

    VinDSL: The eternal question...

    I suppose the only real benefit to me would be to prove my innocence in an investigation. If someone on my shared IP is spamming the internet, or decides to have a website defacement contest, or whatever, and 'they' decide to block traffic to and from that IP on 'their' routers, that could cause a problem, no? What if someone was launching DDoS attacks from our common IP? Wouldn't ALL "1000" of us be suspect? I know this seems like paranoia. LoL! If there's no problem, invent one, right? However, stranger things have happened to me.

    Anyway, I've run on a shared IP before. It doesn't effect the operation of my site. I don't have my own mail server, need a secure server certificate, or any of that sort of stuff.

    Maybe I'll give you a try. I've been wanting to go the Sphera route for a while now. I love the host I have now, but the boneheads that I share a server with lock the damn thing up every night. Uptime is never over 24 hours and it's getting old, you know?
    It doesn't seem like it makes any difference now. These lazy f***s at spews just pull out the shotguns and blast us all...

    Anyway, thanks, ZX! Good job of investigating. I guess the rest is up to Jag...
    Last edited by Vin DSL; 07-25-2003 at 01:11 PM.
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    I think the most important point here is that due to the 'shotgun' nature of spews most companies/individuals do not use their lists. Of course when your running a business that still means a tiny percentage of your emails may not make it through in theory, however it's not worth worrying about until you are actually getting mail bounced as Zhen-Xjell was.

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    Hrm... that poses some interesting questions. Do ostrichs really stick their heads in sand, or is that just a myth? And, if there isn't any sand, what do they do then?
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    Originally posted by masood
    Spews say they don't force anyone to use their list. Its actually the choice of other network operators/admins who use spews blacklist. I think mostly spews creators/defenders use it themselves.
    But that begs the question, do their users know of this? Their email clients may want to get email from sites like mine and cannot because SPEWS is acting up. Seems to me like they are "Selling" a service that is either "all" or "nothing". No happy medium whatsoever.

    Lets not forget that Jag is also a victim of this too. Their business suffers when trying to send emails.

    By the way, I replied to the original newsgroup here:

    http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&...4ea9e832b3ce40
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    Originally posted by Zhen-Xjell

    Lets not forget that Jag is also a victim of this too. Their business suffers when trying to send emails.

    By the way, I replied to the original newsgroup here:

    http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&...4ea9e832b3ce40
    Man, those guys are hard core a-holes over there. They make me look like Tinkerbell. They're rippin' JagPC a new one and acting like "that's what we deserve for hangin' with criminals..."

    Have you checked the replies?

    http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e....utoront o.ca
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    Originally posted by Vin DSL
    Man, those guys are hard core a-holes over there. They make me look like Tinkerbell. They're rippin' JagPC a new one and acting like "that's what we deserve for hangin' with criminals..."

    Have you checked the replies?

    http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e....utoront o.ca
    They have always been like that in those groups. Most times it is warrented, but the do tend to go overboard a little when the "innocent" gets hit.

    My own ISP is using Spews (And the other spamfiltering services), but instead of doing the filtering the hard way they just add special headers with the results so we easier can filter out junkmail. Makes it real easy to use Mailwasher

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    Originally posted by Sara
    ...Most times it is warrented, but the do tend to go overboard a little when the "innocent" gets hit...
    Um... can you clarify that?
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