Please update us on Servlet and JavaServerPages (JSP) support

[awolfe_ii]

I'm really very happy with Jaguar, and I've learned to do a lot with PHP, but my preferred server-side technology is and has been Java. I use it at work, the whole thing.

Jaguar, can you PLEASE tell us what is the status of Servlets and JSPs?

I have made requests intermittently for a couple of years for JSP support, usually through the ticket system.

However, this is something that really should be discussed with the Jaguar user base so that we can all see what is going on.

It's hard to believe that JSPs are somehow less stable or "well-behaved" than PHP, Perl, CGI-BIN and such.

Again, please update me and the rest of the user base.

Thanks,

Andrew

[Julian Muñoz]

I don't think JSP is coming up on jaguar... Maybe you should start looking on another host, or even better, get your own dedicated server here at jaguar and use it the way you want!

[Vin DSL]

... Maybe you should... get your own dedicated server here at jaguar...

I should probably keep my nose out of this, but I would imagine JagPC would be willing to install Tomcat/JSP on semi-dedicated servers too. However, 'they' probably don't want to subject a couple hundred clients to JSP loads on shared servers.

Put another way, I don't think there's a ghost's chance in hell of 'them' ever installing JSP in a shared server environment, no matter what you think of JSP, or what 'they' promised you.

Then again, I could swear I saw that option in WHM during the 'VPS Beta' trials. So, hang in there...

Bottom line (my guess): If you wanna play, you'll have to pay...

[awolfe_ii]

Look, Jag didn't promise me anything. I'm trying to be a reasonable customer and frankly, they've worked with me quite productively on a setup I think is really sweet. (Actually I should post it to another thread, because it's a terrific authoring/publishing setup.)

I can also agree with you, Vin, that any hosting service like Jag might express exactly the concerns you are voicing: large memory footprint, heavy CPU usage, whatever. There's always the issue of having to reboot the stupid server, too. And maybe if I set up a dedicated server, they would agree to put Tomcat on it.

My only point is that I'd like to hear it from Jag directly.

Jag, can we get some policy here, please?

[Gwaihir]

It's hard to believe that JSPs are somehow less stable or "well-behaved" than PHP, Perl, CGI-BIN and such.

Hmm.. last time I worked with it, it was still both. That is: it was quite simple to accidentally build stuff that overloaded and subsequentially crashed it -- as the software builder I tested for was very good at and it was much more of a resource hog than those other options. Only up side I can give you: that was about three years ago.

BTW: did you search here on the board? I think JAG said some things about it a couple of times. IIRC it came down to: get yourself one of those new VPS packages (or a dedicated box).

[awolfe_ii]

Yeah, I've searched the posts but they're all kind of old....

I understand how bad servlets and JSPs can be but, well, things do get improved over time... sometimes faster with open-source than with commercial software!

Strictly speaking a Java app server solution is really best, because a simple JServ doesn't address things like replacing changed servlet/jsp classes, etc., whereas an app server usually at least tries. And again, there are a few that are open-source app servers.

[Eric]

We do want to give JSP/Servlet another chance but it is not in our immediate plans to support this as we have many other things going on right now. We could possibly make it a priority to include this support on our next semi-dedicated environment, but we are hesitant to implement it on a current server in production. As others have mentioned, you'll be free to install whatever you like on the VPS solutions or a dedication solution if that is an option for you. At any rate, we realize there are a few select clients out there that would like to see this supported without having to purchase a dedicated machine and we apologize if you feel like your request is simply going unnoticed...it is not.

[awolfe_ii]

?? I see VPS discussions in threads, but I don't know how to evaluate it. Does it cost more money? Or is it a magic upgrade (like GigaDeal) that you get just for opening a ticket?

[Eric]

?? I see VPS discussions in threads, but I don't know how to evaluate it. Does it cost more money? Or is it a magic upgrade (like GigaDeal) that you get just for opening a ticket?

VPS is a Virtual Private Server, which means you have the same functionaility of a dedicated server, but you share one physical machine with others. It will cost more than a regular shared package, but much less than a dedicated server.

[awolfe_ii]

Is this the same thing as the SDX "semi-dedicated server" listed on the hosting page? Sorry to be dense... but I don't know my way around the acronyms.

[Eric]

Is this the same thing as the SDX "semi-dedicated server" listed on the hosting page? Sorry to be dense... but I don't know my way around the acronyms.

The semi-dedicated package does not give you the same functionality of a dedicated machine. Basically, the semi-dedicated packages are for those accounts that need more server resources (memory, cpu, etc.) so we only place around 10 clients on each machine. These clients are not able to install any server-wide software like Tomcat, but you would be able to do this on a VPS package since you have root access to the VPS.