vps newbie...nameserver issues

[libbyp]

i recently purchased a jaguar vps with whm and cpanel, because i needed special php libraries installed. i am entirely new to the vps world (and feeling relatively ill equipped) and i was wondering if anyone had any intro guides? apart from deciding on directories and such, i'm having horrible problems getting my nameservers worked out.

i "registered" them with network solutions, though they use different vocabulary, last week. and i changed klru.net to redirect to them. however, it's just not working out. am i missing a step? jaguar pc support has been exceptionally fast, but with no real information. network solutions keeps telling me to contact my hosting company. i'm in a pinch. ideas?

[thisisit3]

Once you register a domain name, you also tell your registrar to use your own name servers (or at least the name servers provided by Jag).

If your have setup custom name servers (ns1.mydomain.com, ns2.mydomain.com) then you need to make sure everyone is aware of them (both registrar must register the custom name servers as well as Jag, since they must assign two dedicated IP addresses to them).

Not sure what you tell you about the management of the server, just learn all about Linux or FreeBSD and you should be fine

[EuroNut]

i "registered" them with network solutions, though they use different vocabulary, last week. and i changed klru.net to redirect to them. however, it's just not working out. am i missing a step? jaguar pc support has been exceptionally fast, but with no real information. network solutions keeps telling me to contact my hosting company. i'm in a pinch. ideas?

Libbyp, if I read that right, you may well have done 2 halves of 2 different jobs

I did a quick check at the registry, and your NS1 and NS2 appear to be registered correctly, with 2 JaguarPC IP addresses, so that looks spot on

What you need to do now (If you've not done this already) is to amend the domain record at Network Solutions to tell it you're using your own custom nameservers, and not a "redirect" that they offer.

So, somewhere in Network Solution's control panel, you would change klru.net from using (for example) ns1 and ns2.networksolutions.com to ns1 and ns2.klru.net.

That will then start to direct traffic for your domain direct to your VPS (It takes a little time to propagate) using your own nameservers.

The next job would be to install klru.net onto your VPS. There's a couple of ways of doing this, and I don't know if you have already, but if you reply to this and let me know where you are up to with setting the domain up on the new VPS I'd be happy to give you a few pointers to make sure your DNS is ready to rock and roll

[libbyp]

Euronut,

Thanks for your reply. It's a little trickier than that...

The nameservers are ns1.klru.org and ns2.klru.org, the main domain will be klru.org, I'm moving the site, but i'm not ready to move the domain yet...some ODBC connection issues. The Jaguar PC support staff helped me earlier today, there were two rogue nameservers on my server, and now the correct nameservers are set on my vps. The question becomes, can I point different domains to those nameservers before I point klru.org to it? Specifically, can I point klru.net to my vps for testing purposes before I'm ready to point klru.org to it?

Thanks so much, you've been so helpful.

[EuroNut]

Euronut,

Thanks for your reply. It's a little trickier than that...

LOL, OK - Life is never that simple

The nameservers are ns1.klru.org and ns2.klru.org, the main domain will be klru.org, I'm moving the site, but i'm not ready to move the domain yet...some ODBC connection issues.

So which nameservers have you got set up on the new VPS? I can see ns1 and ns2 for klru.net are registered to 2 IP addresses of JagPC (IPs ending in 248 and 249) and I can see that klru.org is using 2 .EDU nameservers elsewhere.

The question becomes, can I point different domains to those nameservers before I point klru.org to it? Specifically, can I point klru.net to my vps for testing purposes before I'm ready to point klru.org to it?

Absolutely YES! I'm beginning to see the light LOL

Your new ns1 and ns2.klru.net nameservers can be used as the nameservers for ALL domains hosted on your VPS. Once you have those working correctly on the VPS you simply install a domain on the VPS and go to the relevant registry and change the nameserver details to ns1 and ns2.klru.net - That change gets propagated around the world and traffic starts to come to your VPS for that domain.

My concern at the moment is that I'm not convinced that ns1 and ns2.klru.net are correctly working on the VPS. Have you got the klru.net domain installed on there yet?

[libbyp]

the nameservers that are installed on my vps aren't ns1.klru.net and ns2.klru.net, they are ns1.klru.org and ns2.klru.org, that is the main domain for my site, klru.org. currently klru.org points to the old server where my site lives. i do not want to change the nameservers for that domain yet.

i did change the nameservers for klru.net, hoping that i could use that domain for the klruorg test site before moving the nameservers for klru.org. i know it's confusing, i am totally confused.

perhaps i need to "install" klru.net on my vps. i've tried that before but i get the message that someone else owns it. i know that i am probably doing one, if not more things wrong, i just don't have a "correct" example to learn from.

i really appreciate your help.

[EuroNut]

the nameservers that are installed on my vps aren't ns1.klru.net and ns2.klru.net, they are ns1.klru.org and ns2.klru.org, that is the main domain for my site, klru.org. currently klru.org points to the old server where my site lives. i do not want to change the nameservers for that domain yet.

OK, gotcha now Question: Even though you don't want to move klru.org yet, have you registered (at the registry) those 2 nameservers with the Jag VPS IPs?

You need to go to Network Solutions and register them, even though you're not moving that domain yet - The world needs to know where those nameservers are.

Pop back to Network Solutions and register the nameservers/hostnames (or what ever language they use in their control panel) just like you registered NS1 and 2 for klru.net.

i did change the nameservers for klru.net, hoping that i could use that domain for the klruorg test site before moving the nameservers for klru.org. i know it's confusing, i am totally confused.

No, actually, you're on the right track

Done: klru.net has been changed to point at ns1 and ns2.klru.org

To do: ns1 and ns2.klru.org are installed on the VPS, but need to be registered at the registry for klru.org, pointing at your 2 IPs ending in 248 and 249.

perhaps i need to "install" klru.net on my vps. i've tried that before but i get the message that someone else owns it. i know that i am probably doing one, if not more things wrong, i just don't have a "correct" example to learn from.

i really appreciate your help.

Yes you do need to install it - Tell me how you're going about that part of the job. Are you trying to restore it from a backup on another server, or are you trying to add it from scratch?

And you're welcome for the help - Don't worry, we've all been there

[libbyp]

OK, gotcha now Question: Even though you don't want to move klru.org yet, have you registered (at the registry) those 2 nameservers with the Jag VPS IPs?

You need to go to Network Solutions and register them, even though you're not moving that domain yet - The world needs to know where those nameservers are.

Pop back to Network Solutions and register the nameservers/hostnames (or what ever language they use in their control panel) just like you registered NS1 and 2 for klru.net.

Correction here, i have registered ns1 and 2 for klru.org NOT ns1 and 2 for klru.net.

No, actually, you're on the right track

Done: klru.net has been changed to point at ns1 and ns2.klru.org

To do: ns1 and ns2.klru.org are installed on the VPS, but need to be registered at the registry for klru.org, pointing at your 2 IPs ending in 248 and 249.

If I change the nameserver registry for klru.org, that will break the path to my current site, right? I don't want to do that for a couple of weeks.

Yes you do need to install it - Tell me how you're going about that part of the job. Are you trying to restore it from a backup on another server, or are you trying to add it from scratch?

I was going to add it (meaning the site, right?) from scratch...just for testing purposes. Essentially in a couple of weeks time I'm going to have to go through all of this again with the full site (klru.org) and there can't be glitches. So I'm attempting a test run with klru.net.

And you're welcome for the help - Don't worry, we've all been there

You're truly great!

[EuroNut]

Correction here, i have registered ns1 and 2 for klru.org NOT ns1 and 2 for klru.net.

If I change the nameserver registry for klru.org, that will break the path to my current site, right? I don't want to do that for a couple of weeks.

Maybe I better explain this another way

If I look at the whois for klru.net I get ...

Domain Name: KLRU.NET
Name Server: NS1.KLRU.ORG
Name Server: NS2.KLRU.ORG

Which is exactly what you want, and you also have those 2 nameservers set up on the VPS.

But, for that to work, you need to register/create the nameservers at the registry for KLRU.ORG

That won't affect where klru.org is pointing to, as it uses those 2 .EDU nameservers at the moment.

Basically, you need to create the 2 nameservers (with the IPs) but not change klru.org to use them until you're ready in a couple of weeks.

So at Network Solutions you need nameserver records that show they point to your IPs:

Name Server: NS1.KLRU.ORG = 69.xxx.xxx.248
Name Server: NS2.KLRU.ORG = 69.xxx.xxx.249

I was going to add it (meaning the site, right?) from scratch...just for testing purposes. Essentially in a couple of weeks time I'm going to have to go through all of this again with the full site (klru.org) and there can't be glitches. So I'm attempting a test run with klru.net.
You're truly great!

OK, that should be easy, but (keeping the horse in front of the cart) you need the VPS ready to host domains first, and DNS set up at the registry, before trying to create any accounts on it.

At the moment when I try to ping ns1 or ns2.klru.org I get nothing - So, either they haven't been created at the registry yet or, if they have, they haven't yet propagated.

Let's get that bit working right first, OK? (Besides, I'm in the UK, and it's bedtime in an hour LOL)